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Anyone else NOT into lightweight mini rigs?

#481
agedhorse said:
That said, I still prefer the user interface of a large format console, something about controls being in exactly the same place, doing exactly the same thing under the heat of battle. The tradeoff is cost, size, weight, processing power and a type of convenience. If I grew up on a digital console, I might not miss the user interface so much, but there's something confidence inspiring about Yamaha PM (or Soundcraft, or whatever) style hardware. I still have a couple of 5 figure consoles that I can barely give away... very sad actually from my perspective but other folks say good riddance to those good 'ol days. ;)
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Again, guilty as charged! I love my Soundcraft board. Although I sometimes supply the PA, someone else runs it given I'm playing bass. I haven't owned the PreSonus very long, so I'm not yet comfortable navigating the layered menus.
 
#482
MordBass said:
Oh i agree hahahaha Im the same way. The only time I run the lower end basses is when my black metal band is playing. Bullet belts, spiked gauntlets etc.... the finish on the basses gets destroyed quickly.
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I don't often play in a metal band any longer. When I do I bring a rig and a Ric, which tends to enhance the visual aspect of the performance. I've been considering the purchase of a painted Alembic for such occasions...hmmm, perhaps this might be a good reason to buy a painted Alembic Dragon Wing? :) :) :)
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#483
agedhorse said:
That said, I still prefer the user interface of a large format console, something about controls being in exactly the same place, doing exactly the same thing under the heat of battle. The tradeoff is cost, size, weight, processing power and a type of convenience. If I grew up on a digital console, I might not miss the user interface so much, but there's something confidence inspiring about Yamaha PM (or Soundcraft, or whatever) style hardware. I still have a couple of 5 figure consoles that I can barely give away... very sad actually from my perspective but other folks say good riddance to those good 'ol days. ;)
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I can't imagine using a computer to run a mixer. DJ friend I bought my small, old, heavy PA from just went to a mixer with one knob on it and controls it with a cheap android phone. Egads. His also plays geetar and bass and uses the mixer for that. Maybe I could cope with a large touch screen, as big as a mixer, but then why, nothing there for my needs.
 
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BadExample said:
I can't imagine using a computer to run a mixer. DJ friend I bought my small, old, heavy PA from just went to a mixer with one knob on it and controls it with a cheap android phone. Egads. His also plays geetar and bass and uses the mixer for that. Maybe I could cope with a large touch screen, as big as a mixer, but then why, nothing there for my needs.
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For me, the coolest feature of a digital board is being able to control my own monitor mix from my phone!
 
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#486
MordBass said:
If youre in a decent sized club or venue and the crowd is mostly hearing your cab instead of your signal through the PA, your stage volume is far too loud. You might not realize it but the rest of your band and the people towards the front certainly do. Which was what I was clearly saying given the context of my conversation with Techbassist. Things only got confusing when Brad decided to swing it around as a third party to an already existing dialogue that he didn't feel like reading before commenting. OF COURSE there are many situations... but as I was saying, unless youre playing tiny bars or coffee houses, the most likely scenario is that your neo/classD rig is simply running a DI out to the board and that is mostly what the audience is hearing. Unless of course you brought an 810 to a bar with a crowd of 30 in which case the weight and size of your head is pretty much moot, as is your participation in such discussions.
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Still wrong. There are gigs beyond "tiny bars and coffee houses" where my rig can be heard by audience members. They tell me so. And now that you've qualified the larger gigs with "mostly"...
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Yeah, it's me.
 
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#488
Brad Johnson said:
Still wrong. There are gigs beyond "tiny bars and coffee houses" where my rig can be heard by audience members. They tell me so.
Yeah, it's me.
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At some point one should move beyond asking whether something "can" be done and into the realm of whether it "should" be done. Beyond the smallest gigs I would think it better to let the PA carry your sound rather than your bass rig. Otherwise, the sound in the house has to be mixed around your personal stage volume.
 
#489
MordBass said:
Its certainly possible but also fair to say that some of those comments are just a window to the insecurity of the person saying them. If you can afford a Ritter and wanna jam it loud at a local bar.... go for it. I find that far less douchy than the amount of corvette owners that chose an automatic and never exceed 60mph or the amount of Wrangler owners that will never see anything but asphalt.
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I got rid of my Tacoma and went back to driving a Subaru. No insecurity here. I'm not trying to make up for anything! :)
 
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#490
Manticore said:
At some point one should move beyond asking whether something "can" be done and into the realm of whether it "should" be done. Beyond the smallest gigs I would think it better to let the PA carry your sound rather than your bass rig. Otherwise, the sound in the house has to be mixed around your personal stage volume.
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The thing is, I'm talking not only about what can be done (not like him, talking about what can't be heard)... I'm talking about what is... and acting like there's one way things work makes no sense in the face of reality.

Should you make sure that your rig can't be heard on a larger gig? This all boils down to someone making a general statement with lots of holes in it. That's all.
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Manticore said:
At some point one should move beyond asking whether something "can" be done and into the realm of whether it "should" be done. Beyond the smallest gigs I would think it better to let the PA carry your sound rather than your bass rig. Otherwise, the sound in the house has to be mixed around your personal stage volume.
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I'm of the opinion that the backline should balance itself around the drums - then, the PA adds to that as needed for the room... After all, it's called "sound reinforcement" for a reason - typically, it's supposed to take the sound from the stage and make the room sound like that... If I have to play at such a low volume that I can't hear myself over the drums, then I have to have some bass in my monitor - and frankly, that will never sound as good as any bass rig I bring to a gig... Also, IMO my bass rig typically sounds better than many PAs - why would I squash that, only to have more bass in the PA? - that doesn't make any sense, unless my bass rig is causing problems in the room...
 
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#492
Brad Johnson said:
Still wrong. There are gigs beyond "tiny bars and coffee houses" where my rig can be heard by audience members. They tell me so. And now that you've qualified the larger gigs with "mostly"...
:D

Yeah, it's me.
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Like I said before dude... whatever makes you feel great swinging it around an internet forum. If I need to take 30 seconds of my day to help somebody feel better about themselves, Im ok with it. Some of us aren't here to analyze posts word for word and then call people out. Maybe you'd be more comfortable on xbox live? The new Rainbow6 is great now that all the bugs have been worked out.
 
#493
MordBass said:
Like I said before dude... whatever makes you feel great swinging it around an internet forum. If I need to take 30 seconds of my day to help somebody feel better about themselves, Im ok with it. Some of us aren't here to analyze posts word for word and then call people out. Maybe you'd be more comfortable on xbox live? The new Rainbow6 is great now that all the bugs have been worked out.
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Yes, you've clearly let this go, dude.
:D

BTW I'm fine where I am... maybe you'd be more comfortable on xbox? If you'd prefer to post in a non-public space, this isn't it.
 
#495
MordBass said:
Let what go? That I dont put 110% effort into wording my posts on a forum because I'm not concerned with "that guy" trying to find a hole to relieve himself? Yea, you're right... I let that go a long time ago. You want an internet trophy?
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You keep talking/complaining about this, clearly that is the opposite of letting go.

I wasn't trying to find a hole, you said something that less experienced people might actually believe that was inaccurate. If that bugs you as much as it seems to, maybe you need to address that. I'm not mad at anyone and I explained what problem I had with your statement in what I thought was a polite fashion... and because you didn't like that you keep talking about it instead of what you said that was just plain wrong.
 
#496
Brad Johnson said:
You keep talking/complaining about this, clearly that is the opposite of letting go.

I wasn't trying to find a hole, you said something that less experienced people might actually believe that was inaccurate. If that bugs you as much as it seems to, maybe you need to address that. I'm not mad at anyone and I explained what problem I had with your statement in what I thought was a polite fashion... and because you didn't like that you keep talking about it instead of what you said that was just plain wrong.
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Because what I said was not just plain wrong. I explained it well enough to the person I was talking to. But anyways, yes.... I am totally wrong... thank you so much oh hero of the internet that has trotted in and saved our glorious text from what might be construed as not totally completely accurate-ish. Thank you, really.... I mean it. We all have now seen the glory of your might swinging as it does and we are better people for it.
 
#499
Actually Brad. I have an idea. Let's restart this part of the convo in a civil manner. I will go first by explaining my view better than I did before.

I believe that in many live situations the majority of bass the crowd hears is from the PA system. When using the DI of any head, you are bypassing the power supply hence Class doesnt matter as much. Now yes, I am aware that there are bars/venues where the crowd will hear a majority of the bass from your amp. This clearly doesnt apply since you are using the power section of your head to power your cabs.
So.... it all comes down to how you will be using the head in question. But if you DI out to FOH and then keep a low stage volume... the crowd is hearing the power section of the PA so I wouldnt worry too much about your head.
 
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MordBass said:
Actually Brad. I have an idea. Let's restart this part of the convo in a civil manner. I will go first by explaining my view better than I did before.

I believe that in many live situations the majority of bass the crowd hears is from the PA system. When using the DI of any head, you are bypassing the power supply hence Class doesnt matter as much. Now yes, I am aware that there are bars/venues where the crowd will hear a majority of the bass from your amp. This clearly doesnt apply since you are using the power section of your head to power your cabs.
So.... it all comes down to how you will be using the head in question. But if you DI out to FOH and then keep a low stage volume... the crowd is hearing the power section of the PA so I wouldnt worry too much about your head.
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Cool.

I don't disagree with THIS. I DID disagree with what you initially said. That's all. That should be okay. Right?
:)
 

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