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"ape to man"

It's not so much as one race is superior to another as that there is a difference between races at a biological level which makes on more suited to an environmental setting than another. The issue is that where human society stands now, the developed world is an artificial environment. All things being equal, there is the potential that one race could out compete another in natural environment but this is essentially what happened to create races over time so really it would just be a reversion. So as things stand, looking backwards evolutionarily there are races which developed out of biological need; however, looking forwards and baring a major catastrophe we have created an environmental where race no longer matters because we've found a way around genetic shortcomings that may exist one way or another.

+1 we are very much on the same page.

That seems like a semantic argument to me. Isn't the substance of what you are saying is that one race is superior to another (in a given situation). Now, if we accept that this is the case, what are the implications?

First let me say I love a good debate, especially when its about evolution, religion or politics...since the other 2 are off limits here on TB, you have made my day.

I am saying certain races (or combinations thereof) are more likely to survive an apocalyptic event depending on what that event is. Denying this is stupid and counter-productive....we see it happen in animals all the time (like those moths mentioned earlier).

Since we clearly do not know what changes to our world will take place no race is currently superior (except in their native environments) Clearly I would fry like a egg in the tropics. Where as I would do much better in a cold Eastern European environment.

Even so modern technology (Ie: Sunblock) allows me live in the tropics comfortably...and clearly we can all survive almost anywhere other humans do thanks to our technology....but that doesn't mean this has always been true or always will be true.

In the end my point is this...If we all interbred perfectly to create one unified race we would be undoing millenniums of evolution, and placing all our eggs in one basket. It's natural for some of us to want to mate within our races and for some of us not too. It preserves and creates further diversity, which means further branching on the evolutionary tree.

Adaptation is not about individual humans its about the human species (I dare say it might even be about life itself). We are already adapting to our environments, this is natural and beautiful and I'm sick of people pretending it doesn't happen in the name of political correctness. /end soapbox ranting

On another note:

Some experts think that human beings will split into a worker class of brutish thugs capable of doing manual labor extremely well and a second species of hunchbacked long fingered number crunchers (personally I think the robots built by the hunchbacked number crunchers will make the brute laborers unnecessary.) What do you guys think is in store for humanity? Assuming the sun doesn't fry us, or that we don't nuke ourselves, and that nothing comes hurdling through space at thousands of miles an hour and liquidates us...ext.
 
To add confusion to it all, I saw a cool NOVA a little while ago that proposed that evolution didn't occur in a linear fashion, but rather it occurred in a manner that created several different types of manlike species, which eventually went extinct and formed the modern day homosapien. This was based upon the discovery of several "hobbit" like skeletons and fossils. So perhaps Lord of the Rings wasn't that far fetched afterall, with it's hobbits, elves, dwarves, et al.


Reading about Neaderthal Man is fascinating. Just think, in Europe some 50,000 years ago there were two hominid species (at least in theory corroborated by genetics) living side by side until one mysteriously fades away.
 
Some experts think that human beings will split into a worker class of brutish thugs capable of doing manual labor extremely well and a second species of hunchbacked long fingered number crunchers (personally I think the robots built by the hunchbacked number crunchers will make the brute laborers unnecessary.) What do you guys think is in store for humanity? Assuming the sun doesn't fry us, or that we don't nuke ourselves, and that nothing comes hurdling through space at thousands of miles an hour and liquidates us...ext.

Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?
 
Good point.

Idiocracy was a little different, they were frozen instead of choosing to travel in time, and it's only 500 years in the future so it's society isn't a different species, their just really stupid people.
 
Good point.

Idiocracy was a little different, they were frozen instead of choosing to travel in time, and it's only 500 years in the future so it's society isn't a different species, their just really stupid people.
It also comes from natural eugenics...
people who pursue an education and success (IQ=137) are penalized by having fewer children , while at the jerry springer memorial trailerpark, Bubba (IQ=40) mates and has kids with every floozie in the trailer park, flooding the gene pool. this continues and continues generation after generation, until the average IQ is 40...
hijinks ensue.

My favorite example of "forced" natural selection is the example of the samurai crab.

There was a battle at the sea shore between two warring shoguns in feudal Japan. Thousands of brave samurai were lost and their bodies washed out by the tide. Over the years, fisherman on this lake would occasionally catch a crab with a "samurai" face on its back, and throw it back out of respect for the fallen warriors. Today almost all of the crabs in this lake are samurai crabs or Heikegani.
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They were given advantage over the Non-samurai crab through the fishermen returning them to the sea, where the non samurai crab were eaten, and removed from the gene pool.
 
It also comes from natural eugenics...
people who pursue an education and success (IQ=137) are penalized by having fewer children , while at the jerry springer memorial trailerpark, Bubba (IQ=40) mates and has kids with every floozie in the trailer park, flooding the gene pool. this continues and continues generation after generation, until the average IQ is 40...
hijinks ensue.

My favorite example of "forced" natural selection is the example of the samurai crab.

There was a battle at the sea shore between two warring shoguns in feudal Japan. Thousands of brave samurai were lost and their bodies washed out by the tide. Over the years, fisherman on this lake would occasionally catch a crab with a "samurai" face on its back, and throw it back out of respect for the fallen warriors. Today almost all of the crabs in this lake are samurai crabs or Heikegani.
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They were given advantage over the Non-samurai crab through the fishermen returning them to the sea, where the non samurai crab were eaten, and removed from the gene pool.

That crab looks more like Bubba from the trailer park than a samurai, perhaps Bubba went beyond the floozies. Or maybe he just had crabs. Now that's intelligent design folks.
 
It also comes from natural eugenics...
people who pursue an education and success (IQ=137) are penalized by having fewer children , while at the jerry springer memorial trailerpark, Bubba (IQ=40) mates and has kids with every floozie in the trailer park, flooding the gene pool. this continues and continues generation after generation, until the average IQ is 40...
hijinks ensue.

My favorite example of "forced" natural selection is the example of the samurai crab.

There was a battle at the sea shore between two warring shoguns in feudal Japan. Thousands of brave samurai were lost and their bodies washed out by the tide. Over the years, fisherman on this lake would occasionally catch a crab with a "samurai" face on its back, and throw it back out of respect for the fallen warriors. Today almost all of the crabs in this lake are samurai crabs or Heikegani.


They were given advantage over the Non-samurai crab through the fishermen returning them to the sea, where the non samurai crab were eaten, and removed from the gene pool.

That's amazing, and delicious with a bit of butter sauce.