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Aproximating a Fretless on a Fretted Bass

There's a saying: Tone is in the fingers. While this is not 100% true, technical mastery is a huge factor when attempting to fake it.

Super aggro chorus...it's bit gratuitous if you ask me. Not much you can do to get the growly mwah, but there are places where you can fake other fretless stylings by bending the strings.

Compression and the right EQ will be helpful. Try soloing or blending towards the bridge pickup, and experiment to find the right place to pluck. The plucking location may vary at different points of the tune.

Ultimately, accept reality and don't torment yourself too much.
 
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I've approximated fretless sound on a bass with very low frets and appropriate technique. Side to side vibrato and soft touch (or maybe a more staccato touch near bridge if the song calls for it).
But friend, you do have the skills to play fretless. If you have a change to play a fretless just keep at it and start slowly. Use open strings to check your intonation every so often.
 
Start with a bass with a pickup very close to the bridge. Roll the tone control completely off, then back up about 1/4. Play fingerstyle directly over the bridge pickup. Adjust your preamp tone controls to boost midrange and lessen bass frequencies. I learned a lot of this from watching Jeff Berlin,when I found out his “fretless” sound was produced on a fretted instrument.
 
Start with a bass with a pickup very close to the bridge. Roll the tone control completely off, then back up about 1/4. Play fingerstyle directly over the bridge pickup. Adjust your preamp tone controls to boost midrange and lessen bass frequencies. I learned a lot of this from watching Jeff Berlin,when I found out his “fretless” sound was produced on a fretted instrument.

This is what I've gleaned from YT. Roll back to 100% bridge pick-up, roll-off tone control (...maybe treble?) completely and add a slow-medium chorus on the tail end. Doesn't truly parrot a fretless but certainly embraces a usable vibe.

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I dont have the cash to buy (or the skills to play) a fretless bass !.

I'm looking for a way to 'Get Close' to Pino's sound on Paul Youngs 'Wherever I Lay My Hat' using Guitar Rig 7

I do recall the Zoom B3 having a 'De-fret' patch but Im not sure how this was achieved

Any Help would be gratefully appreciated

Have Fun

I saw a video last week on youtube that featured a clip on overlay that fits on the neck that covers the fingerboard for such purposes. No glue or screws needed and is easy to install and remove.
 
friend, you do have the skills to play fretless.
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I dont have the cash to buy (or the skills to play) a fretless bass !.

I'm looking for a way to 'Get Close' to Pino's sound on Paul Youngs 'Wherever I Lay My Hat' using Guitar Rig 7

I do recall the Zoom B3 having a 'De-fret' patch but Im not sure how this was achieved

Any Help would be gratefully appreciated

Have Fun
Not quite sure how truly accomplish this myself, but I will pile onto one comment. Don’t sell yourself short on the ability to learn/play fretless. I, at 62 started playing upright, as well as playing in a style of music I had no interest or idea about.
I’m having a blast.

Sorry for the derailment of your thread…
 
It’s infinitely easier to play fretless than fretted. I have no clue why people think it’s more difficult. If you miss a note on fretted it sounds like chaos. It’s impossible to miss a note on fretless because wherever you land is a note. Just glissando accordingly if you happen to be flat. Right?
I see this as more fear than any real lack of ability.

Anyway, you could also try a lot of compression to replicate the attack and decay. Fretted won’t sound like fretless but you can still find something that works.
 
I dont have the cash to buy (or the skills to play) a fretless bass !.

A good bass player has most of the skill needed to play fretless. To make a fretted bass sound really good, you need to position your fretting finger(s) right behind the fret - precision is a very helpful thing in not making extraneous clanking noises. That precision is also the skill that is needed to play with good intonation on a fretless - yes, you may have to tweak things a little bit, but you'd be surprised at how close you are just using the skills you already have.

If you have the cash to buy a multi-effect that does a rough approximation of a fretless, you have than enough cash to buy a decent fretless neck and do it the right way.
 
I slide in and out of notes on my fretted bass to get a bit of that feel along with bending the string for vibrato. Also, I have never tried one but I know you can buy a tremolo tail piece for bass that could possibly get you some of that sound?
 
I dunno if you can get that close on a fretted. Or, i guess it depends on how close you think "close enough" is. Especially because fretless sounds like fretless, but also, not all fretless sounds the same. String type and pickup and fingerboard wood and player all play into the sound. My fretless with maple fingerboard, Delano Xtenders each in series, wired parallel to each other, with La Bella White Gold Tapewounds does not sound anything like Jaco playing with rounds through the single coil bridge pickup of a Jazz bass with an epoxied fingerboard.

Those semantics aside, i get what you're going for. And since you're really focused on the tone in that one tune, you can probably get close enough to be happy with the approximation.

I don't know what bass you have, but i'd start with trying to approximate a Stingray tone with your bass, however you can do that, because that's what Pino used on that song. Then from there try to do the fretless approximation.

If you have an active bass, give a little bump in the high mids and run it through a chorus. Otherwise put an EQ before the chorus and bump the high mids. The chorus will come through nicely with those frequencies emphasized. Every chorus pedal has slightly different controls (Or the same controls with different names), but generally i'd say keep the speed relatively slow, and maybe a mid-level intensity or depth. A chorus is just a second channel with a very slight delay and sometimes slight pitch shift. You just want it coming off the clean note you're playing ever so slightly to replicate a finger hold a note without a fret to keep it exactly on frequency for the fretless approximation, plus there's also chorus added to the track. So you can find a chorus sound that approximates fretless, and then increase the dry/wet blend a bit, or make some of the parameters a little higher to add some extra chorus.

I might also boost the lows a touch and pull back on the highs, just from what i'm hearing in the song. But you gotta adjust according to what you're hearing from your bass and amp.

If you have a pedal or digital fx box that allows micro-tonal pitch shift with an lfo, that could come in handy replicating the free movement of a fretless. But be very careful with this. Using either a random lfo shape, or a sine wave if it doesn't have random, set the lfo speed very slow (like 5Hz?), and have the lfo shift the note about 3 to 5 cents sharp & flat. Subtlety is key here. You might want it so subtle you don't notice it unless you're looking for it.

And then a really light reverb with the decay all the way down, or a light short delay, almost indistinguishable from the chorus might add just the final touch.

However, the cost of getting the different pedals to do this (EQ, Chorus, pitch shifter, reverb, delay), or the all-in-one digital fx box might be the same amount of money as an inexpensive fretless from Sire or Squier. And then you have a fretless to play.
I dont have the cash to buy (or the skills to play) a fretless bass !.
As someone who plays fretted and fretless, i wanna say: Don't think like this. You can play fretless. They're insanely fun. And if you just put in a little bit of practice with your finger accuracy and ear intonation, it's really not a huge issue to play fretless. Just pay attention to your technique and listen, which you should be doing even on a fretted bass. Don't rule out playing fretless, especially if a fretless bass costs the same as the FX needed to fake a fretless.
 
If chorus and vibrato are what makes it sound fretless to you, then use chorus and be judicious using vibrato.

The suggestions above about pickup choice and tone settings are useful if you want the sort of tone that Jaco had and many fretless players have emulated.

Bill Wyman used a fretless bass on most of the Rolling Stones studio recordings but you'd never know it just from listening.
 
Well, on those specific Pino tracks, it was his fretless StingRay, plus a whole lot of chorus/delay mixed in by producer Laurie Latham. So, you can get close to that vibe with using those effects, and by leaning on the back pickup of whatever bass you currently play. But it will not sound like a fretless. It will sound like a fretted bass with those effects on it.

As someone who's played fretted and fretless since the day I picked up a bass - a fretted bass will never be able to get that same sort of softer attack and decay (and 'mwah'). It is far easier to make a fretless sound like a fretted (with left hand technique mostly) than vice versa. What you can definitely experiment with is playing VERY CLEANLY with your left hand technique, minimizing clank and fret buzz. A lot of that will depend on your action, and the condition of your frets.

Good luck.
 
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