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Are you a bass player? Poll...

Are you a bass player?

  • Yes, I consider myself to be a bass player.

    Votes: 122 75.8%
  • No, I just play some bass.

    Votes: 24 14.9%
  • I like carrots because they have lots of Vitamin A.

    Votes: 15 9.3%

  • Total voters
    161
God I cant leave this one alone....

Your basic premise is all wrong m8.

Your confusing a session musician with a bass player (or a person who plays bass; same thing).

Just because the session player has reached a 'higher' level of competence (debatable)... It certainly does not necessarily mean that the bass player is incompetent. It's a matter of perspective.

Who are we to judge. Is a session player 'better' than someone like Geezer Butler, or Steve Harris or any number of fine band bass players? Of course not!
 
God I cant leave this one alone....

I knew you were coming back...

Your basic premise is all wrong m8.

Fair enough...

Your confusing a session musician with a bass player (or a person who plays bass; same thing).
You're probably right...

Just because the session player has reached a 'higher' level of competence (debatable)... It certainly does not necessarily mean that the bass player is incompetent. It's a matter of perspective.

Ok, got it...

Who are we to judge. Is a session player 'better' than someone like Geezer Butler, or Steve Harris or any number of fine band bass players? Of course not!

Well... Debatable...

You still don't understand my signature, right? :D
 
You still don't understand my signature, right? :D
I play in bars for $200.00 (personal pay) a gig, not $80, thank you. I've made as much as $500 (personal pay) per gig and I'm looking at $1000.00 (personal pay) gigs later this year.

I'm not saying education isn't a good thing. I am saying not everyone has to be educated to the extent you're speaking of. It all depends on the road you want to travel. Are you good enough to play the parts with emotion and to make very few mistakes, if any? Can you sing lead vocals without making the alley cats take notice? How are you at singing background? If you're good at these, you can make okay pay and have a great time doing it. Oh, and you'll be a bass player!
 
tell us then... oh great one (unless you mean 'bars' on a musical manuscript).

btw, you can add potential to your versatility... not the other way round... but I presume your not talking about semantics

Did you read the "Originally posted by..."?

That was probably the funniest, most nonsense phrase I've ever read here or anywhere else. So funny that I decided to use it in my signature, and no, I don't play sixers...
 
Did you read the "Originally posted by..."?

That was probably the funniest, most nonsense phrase I've ever read here or anywhere else. So funny that I decided to use it in my signature, and no, I don't play sixers...

So you sigged it because it was nonsensical to you, and you thaougth it was funny? Its not the most poetic statement, but I still see what its trying to get across. Either way, its really not that funny....

This thread is getting really creepy now.
 
I don't buy into that at all.

All the hooey about "real" bass players- hell, go over to the DB forums and all you so-called electric bass players are just guitarists. Bass players, as I've evidenced in the past 5 years here at TB, are a very exclusionary lot. Whether it's pick players, or ER basses, "bassists" or "bass players," or how high or low you sling your instrument, or whether you play guitar or not, if you have the need to star out letters in the word "guitar," ...The measure of how "good" you are of a bass player isn't in a set "box" of what you know or what you can do, it's how well you function in the context of the band you're playing with (or the piece of music you're playing).
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Could not agree more. Sadly, bassists (but more generally, musicians) are an exclusionary lot...

I've got a few questions:

If players that do all those things way better than I (read, transpose, do studio work, salsa, bossa, cha cha, meringue, tour extensively, teach, arrange, compose, sing, dance or whatever a "player" does) say "Man, what a bass player you are!" and want me to join their project, am I a bass player? If my dedication to the instrument (although not oriented towards the objective of being a professional musician) is still true after 35 years and that my understanding of bass playing is one the most important aspect of my search, am I a bass player? And if my input in the projects I'm in greatly surpasses my bass playing abilities, am I a bass player or worst, a musician?

Well, I think I am, despite what the poll implies, and everybody that has played with me would tell you the same (even bass players that have way more tools than I). Do I regret not having a musical education? Of course I do. Would that make me a better player? Sure! It would allow me to transpose easily, to be a better studio player, to play in different genres on the spot, etc. But is it what defines me (or anybody for that matter) as a "bass player"? Of course, not.

As I've learned in my long journey in the scholars' world - not in music - Power often is the ability to define the "word" (here: bass player). For those that relies on knowledge and accomplishment (in this case, bass playing) as there main scene of self-realization, defining who is or is not, who has it or has it not, is one important way of acquiring power over others that "are not", that "do not have it". And I don't let that happen anymore.

Peace
Charles
 
Then please explain your post so everyone can understand, because more than one of us is having difficulty seeing the point. :hmm: :confused:

Dude, if you drive by a truck that has a sticker that says:

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

What do you think it means?
 
Are you able to:

  • Read music? working on it, after 20 years of not knowing...
  • Charts? Absolutely
  • Come up with a good bassline in a few minutes? I would like to think so.
  • Play most gigs without rehearsal? Oh, definitely. Still won't save a gig if everyone's not on the same page.
  • Go on tour with a band you've never heard about, first show tonight? Let's be realistic...there'd have to be charts, obviously, but if so, yes.
  • Go on tour with Mariah Carey after one rehearsal? I dislike Mariah Carey.
  • Play a salsa gig tonight? Um, no. Like it, never played it.
  • Go in a studio session and be comfortable recording songs you never listened to in less than 15 minutes? been there quite a few times.
  • Play with your band if your male singer got sick and there's a girl singing tonight and you need to transpose all the songs on the gig? Yes.
 
I think it means some idiot believes he's more intelligent than everyone else. :) What do you think?

Well... Since you've asked...

I think it means that the truck driver is an anti-Bush and quoted one of Bush's non-sense phrases to prove he (Bush) is an idiot. And at the same time I'd think about how many people with lower than average IQ would drive by that truck and presume that the truck driver supports Bush, and then I'd feel sorry for how close minded those people are, but then in a few minutes I would realize that I really don't care much about what idiots think...

;)
 
Well... Since you've asked...

I think it means that the truck driver is an anti-Bush and quoted one of Bush's non-sense phrases to prove he (Bush) is an idiot. And at the same time I'd think about how many people with lower than average IQ would drive by that truck and presume that the truck driver supports Bush, and then I'd feel sorry for how close minded those people are, but then in a few minutes I would realize that I really don't care much about what idiots think...

;)
Well then, you should never ask questions. ;)

Why are Jazzers often pretentious?
 
Read music? working on it ...but not yet
Charts? No problem.
Come up with a good bassline in a few minutes? Try a few seconds..
Play most gigs without rehearsal? Fo Sho...
Go on tour with a band you've never heard about, first show tonight? ...A band I never heard about most likely could not afford me (if your good at somthing dont do it for cheap)
Go on tour with Mariah Carey after one rehearsal? only if she can keep up with my lines
Play a salsa gig tonight? Latinos adoremy chops
Go in a studio session and be comfortable recording songs you never listened to in less than 15 minutes? If they pay me enough...15 minutes is a long time
Play with your band if your male singer got sick and there's a girl singing tonight and you need to transpose all the songs on the gig? depends..is she hot?
 

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