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Are you a union member?

I've been in a trade union my entire working life. In teaching, most people join a union for support and protection should they be either a)accused of behaving inappropriately with kids, b) find their jobs under threat due to restructuring or redeployment, c) for support should their competency be questioned, or d) for protection when working conditions and terms of employment come under threat.

Of course there are other reasons, but in my experience, they are the main ones, and even though its teaching rather than construction or healthcare or clerical work, the fundamental reason for joining is a belief that workers who unite are less likely to be exploited.

Without getting into political territory, I'm happy to say that my union are taking industrial action next week by striking for a day, and the decision was made by myself and every colleague I've spoken to in a heartbeat without a moments hesitation.
 
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

How do you figure that no one would have jobs? There are nations with much higher union percentages that do very well (see most of northern Europe).

Also, while not all trades require the same amount of training, some of it is very, very specialized. Your college degree will likely not provide much ability to do electrical work, or welding, or the many government positions which require advanced degrees.

Oh lord, the government job! Please slay me now. I'm hoping you're joking. Please tell me you're joking

Thanks for laugh I needed. I can start the weekend off with a bang
 
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4 years old?

Newer Data (August 2013 unemployment)-

Top 10 lowest unemployment (Red = RTW):

1 NORTH DAKOTA
2 SOUTH DAKOTA
3 NEBRASKA

4 HAWAII
t5 VERMONT
t5 WYOMING
7 UTAH
8 IOWA

9 NEW HAMPSHIRE
10 MINNESOTA

So 60% of the top 10 are RTW and 40% aren't.

How about the 10 HIGHEST unemployment states?

t41 MISSISSIPPI
t41 NEW JERSEY
t41 TENNESSEE
t44 GEORGIA
t44 NORTH CAROLINA

46 CALIFORNIA
47 MICHIGAN
48 RHODE ISLAND
49 ILLINOIS
50 NEVADA


Huh... 60% of the BOTTOM 10 are RTW and 40% aren't.

Average unemployment in RTW states: 6.7%
Average unemployment in non-RTW states: 7.0%
 
Already stated I'm union

UA

United association of plumbers , steamfitters and HVAC service techs.

I perform commercial to heavy industrial HVAC service work .

I have a skill. It is learned at school but it also takes years of hands on to master it.

I could do it union or non union . I could have another job tomorrow,and another the next day and so on .

Im pretty content with being union.
 
4 years old?

Newer Data (August 2013 unemployment)-

Top 10 lowest unemployment (Red = RTW):

1 NORTH DAKOTA
2 SOUTH DAKOTA
3 NEBRASKA

4 HAWAII
t5 VERMONT
t5 WYOMING
7 UTAH
8 IOWA

9 NEW HAMPSHIRE
10 MINNESOTA

So 60% of the top 10 are RTW and 40% aren't.

How about the 10 HIGHEST unemployment states?

t41 MISSISSIPPI
t41 NEW JERSEY
t41 TENNESSEE
t44 GEORGIA
t44 NORTH CAROLINA

46 CALIFORNIA
47 MICHIGAN
48 RHODE ISLAND
49 ILLINOIS
50 NEVADA


Huh... 60% of the BOTTOM 10 are RTW and 40% aren't.

Average unemployment in RTW states: 6.7%
Average unemployment in non-RTW states: 7.0%

not an argument but a question.

What's the median income ,especially for the "working class" vs cost of living in those states?
 
While I generally believe that most modern-day Labor Unions represent sloths made so by unaccountability, Union Stagehands are an absolute blessing in my experience: They are the epitome of expertise, and life is chaotic in their absence.

Musicians Unions are necessary to work in a lot of areas, I am a member, and I have no complaints, as accountability comes every time one opens their case.
 
While I generally believe that most modern-day Labor Unions represent sloths made so by unaccountability...

I typically view it the opposite. In my experience, most union workers work hard because that's what the job involves.

For every anecdote about some cushy position that somebody's uncle had, most union jobs are demanding. Nurses, firefighters, cops, construction, etc.
 
Oh lord, the government job! Please slay me now. I'm hoping you're joking. Please tell me you're joking

Thanks for laugh I needed. I can start the weekend off with a bang

Odd...my dad was a department of the Army civilian when he was also the primary author of the rotary wing instrument training program which became the world standard for such training.

That was a government job and the lives and tax dollars saved by it would amount to quite a large chunk of change.

I could list so many government jobs that are the only thing between the public and major disaster, and I'm not talking something as picayune as a blown up factory. I'm talking thousands of acres off limits forever because of an accident. The potential for literally hundreds of accidents on this scale are a daily reality in the largest nuclear arsenal on earth and it is only through the tireless dedication of (comparatively) low paid government employees that nothing of the sort has ever happened.

I can understand having a bad union experience and not caring for unions, but to lump all government jobs into that same distaste? What's up with that?