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Are you a union member?
- Thread starter neo 7
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It sounds like you might be suggesting the companies get together for some of that strength in numbers
Ok.
"Right to work" state employees earn less than labor friendly states. Can we agree on that?
Not claiming causation, but if you look at the map, the more yellow you see (pro union states) the better the pay and conversely, the more "right to work" states the lower the pay.
How about this one?
It doesn't show the pay rate of "right to work" states, but union jobs have a higher median pay rate.
We know that manufacturers are moving to states with less labor restrictions as a way of reducing their costs. I don't see how this is extreme conjecture to suspect that as states compete to become more "business friendly" by removing worker protections American workers are getting lower and lower quality compensation as a result.
They also negotiated you a contract that hopefully pays you better than your non-union equivalent and have clear, defined rules that protect you from being treated unfairly.
Just because you're not actively using the union's services doesn't mean you're not benefiting from the work that they've done on your behalf.
I would rather have a job making 60K a year than not have a job making 80K a year.
Business friendly is job friendly
That may have been true at that time. But that list is woefully out of date now. The five right-to-work states they cite as having the lowest unemployment rates in the US now rank 30th on average--in other words, a little below average.
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If we tolerate undercutting then yes, business will typically opt to pay their employees $60K rather than $80K. That's my point as well.
That doesn't make that a better salary, that just means that some states are doing a better job at appeasing corporations than others.
China is a race to the bottom. They've got limited demands in terms of environmental standards, workers' rights, minimum wage protections, workplace safety, etc. "Right to work" states are trying to emulate the worst parts of Chinese manufacturing here stateside.
It's my understanding that the top 3 on your list are clearly right to work states. I'm surprised that Vermont and New Hampshire aren't RTW.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
I thought you were looking for an example of a right-to-work state, that's all.
As I understand that's within the last couple of months. And it's union strong holds like Detroit that are the issue
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Why would the Northeast want to reduce its citizens' income levels, pension provision, and healthcare levels?
"Right to work" states are largely the deep south and the mountain region, where incomes are low and they're trying to attract business by offering up their workforce at lower cost.
So 3 of the top 5 are RTW, and 6 of the top 12. In other words, it's pretty much a wash.
the way we are headed you have a job making $20k a year...
Business friendly may be job friendly but that doesn't correlate to labor friendly .
Actually I count 4 out the top five slots. North Dakota South Dakota Nebraska Wyoming. And the top three are all RTW. That isn't my idea of a wash.
Hawaii is an anomaly. The have a huge tourist industry that is a natural resource most states don't have. And except for a few pineapple farms not much real industry.
Not that that's bad but comparing it to another state without these natural resources might not be fair.
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The poverty rate in the northeast (labor friendly) is significantly lower than the deep south ("right to work" ). Those states typically rank among the top in median income.
If we're throwing out "anomalies", we'd better toss RTW state North Dakota into the pile, too. Tiny population base/low-density, and the economy is dominated by farms and the oil industry.
