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art tube mp...incredible!!!!

I had one, I didn't like it on bass, which was disappointing. It was fine as a clean mic preamp but I got very unpleasant distortion on bass. I did buy it used very inexpensively, so it's possible that the tube had issues. I sold it though, didn't really need it. I'm glad it's working for others though.

lol, I have a couple of these in my effects closet, never tried one on bass. Thanks for the tip.


I just got a the Studio V3 model last week, looking forward to try its bass setting on my board at band rehearsal Wednesday. I've only tried it so far via my Yamaha 500 StagePas console through headphones, but the various settings differences' are quite noticeable, with the bass setting bringing more ooomphhh to my small practice rig (bass>lmb-3>b1on>M5>ART>console). One thing tho, it seems to clip easier than the basic MP model, so I'll keep an eye on that. If it doesn't work out on bass, it already has a spot in my humble home studio.
 
You know I've had a tube MP studio for years and have used it when recirding bass direct with pretty good results, and I've run it in the loop of a couple amps to "tube them up" with OK results, but never plugged the bass into the ART and the ART into the front end of an amp until tonight. Great stuff! Thanks for this thread!
 
These ART tube designs are said to be a "starved plate design". Which means that the plates of the tube are powered with a supply voltage much lower than the high voltage necessary for a more linear amplification (less distortion). This lower voltage makes the tube circuit have distortions with smaller amplitude signals... tube warmth.

I have owned some of these ART tube designs and I really loved what they did for single channel bass and piano. They also sounded great on full mix playback and vocal tracks. I kept reading about how "starved plate designs" are just awful or fake sounding and that wasn't even close to what I was experiencing. :thumbsup:

-Frank

Pretty sure only the cheaper Art MP's are starved plate. I got an MPA gold and it has buttons for both channels to go from starved 100v to normal 300v. The latter has much more headroom and clarity while starved breaks up earlier.

Meh. I've been spoiled by high end tube equipment and world class studio gear.

Have you even tried any Art gear? Look at the Art Pro Channel, those things look killer. I have seen a lot of posts online where people claimed their 2-300$ art tybe MP's outperformed 500$+ tube pre's.

"World class" sounds pretty pretentious to me. I am sure even many pro's use some cheaper stuff in some cases, the most expensive product isn't always best. Art gear is likely used in many studios worldwide though not the cheaper stuff.
 
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Pretty sure only the cheaper Art MP's are starved plate. I got an MPA gold and it has buttons for both channels to go from starved 100v to normal 300v. The latter has much more headroom and clarity while starved breaks up earlier.

Someone told me that my ART TCS compressor was starved plate. Don't know for sure because I've never seen the schematic and I sold it many years ago, so I can't measure.

-Frank
 
Lol don't take it as so much of an insult I have tried art gear before it's pretty good for what it is. I am just saying compare it to a 3000 dollar tube pre amp and the 3k tube preamp sounds better almost every time. I have done work in these higher end studios and I have never seen art stuff in the control rooms I've been in. Not discrediting it I've seen cheap nady cue amps being used bc they are affordable, and reliable and they get the job done. Use whatever gets you to what you are looking for tonally. When you use really high end studio equipment you see and hear the difference and how much easier it is to get to what you are looking for, bUT when you are in a control room where the studio mid fields cost over 5 grand and the room design and build cost them close to a million dollars you probably will not see art gear in there.

Ohh and by the way art is not considered world class. World class would be considered some of the most sought after and most used companies in audio. Art is cheap affordable equipment that can do a decent job. Ssl, api, neve, neumann, tube tech, Manley, chandler, Fairchild, emi all of those brands are things you would see in the big studios out in the industry they are staples that have been used on almost every major record thoughout the recording industry's history.
Well now thanks for the completely off topic cork sniffing narsasist point of view.
Back to the real world where the rest of us live, I tried an art tube MP in the past and remembering how I liked it. I gifted to a friend who wanted to borrow it for recording.
 
Some of their lower budget stuff is definitely starved plate but I still see it get a lot of love.

I really liked my budget TCS comp.:thumbsup:

I just read the MPA Gold and Pro MPA II manuals and neither one specifies what voltages they run the tube plates at. Where did you get the 100V/300V information? In fact, they call the lower voltage setting "Normal" and the higher voltage setting "High". I think they should be called "Starved" for the lower voltage setting and "Normal" for the higher voltage setting... for a company that uses quite a bit of starved plate designs, they sure do avoid using the term "starved plate".

-Frank
 
This isn't the first time I've seen someone rave about this thing. I may need to snag one for $55, shuuuu. Worth a shot!

They are the best pieces of "cheap" gear money can buy. I love mine to death! I will say that the ~$50 price tag is misleading a little, because I feel like it's necessary to change the tube. The other posters that were complaining about the sound (mostly the gritty sound) were my thoughts as well before tube swapping. Usually I don't buy into the tube making that much of a difference, but it alters this device like crazy.

Anyway, it makes a fantastic DI and recording device, and pushes just about any power amp, which would include the GK MBP cabs by my calculation. Plus, all the features on it are highly useful for playing bass live.
 
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They are the best pieces of "cheap" gear money can buy. I love mine to death! I will say that the ~$50 price tag is misleading a little, because I feel like it's necessary to change the tube. The other posters that were complaining about the sound (mostly the gritty sound) were my thoughts as well before tube swapping. Usually I don't buy into the tube making that much of a difference, but it alters this device like crazy.

Anyway, it makes a fantastic DI and recording device, and pushes just about any power amp, which would include the GK MBP cabs by my calculation. Plus, all the features on it are highly useful for playing bass live.

Oh yeah for sure. I have an all tube head and I've had a couple of pedals with pedals with tubes in them before so I have a handful of them around. I always felt swapping tubes made a huge difference, of course, depending on what it was. It's really fun to do stuff like that. I will have to get one of these. This could very well solve my "bees in a can" FOH/PA predicament when playing live. Not to say that happens often. But I just like to know I will have something "warming" my DI signal a little to round it out a bit. This very well could be just the ticket.

Side note, it's just a regular ol preamp tube in there correct??