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Artificial Intelligence (AI) generated music
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... and based on music and theory that was already established.
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Very interesting thread…
Thanks @wintremute for turning me into this and specifically wanting my opinion on this…I hope my response will do justice.
First off, I don’t know even know how I feel about this…When I first got into this game it was very different and I’m not sure where to begin.
I can with %100 confidence that this Genie is not going back into the bottle like Napster did with file sharing 23-24 years ago. I was knee deep in the industry then and it I watched the fall of the record company empire from the inside.
Music now is a commodity now if you think about it. Not many people pay for it.
That is most certainly having an effect on what being produced.
There was potential money for lease of music wither to movies or video games ect and I’m pretty sure that is going to be affected. As someone who’s down payment on their house was %100 money from leasing music, I see this coming into play real soon and I’m sure it’s already beginning.
We are on the cusps of major change to our industry.
I have watched the AI videos of the changing art like I’m sure most of you reading this and it’s nothing short of amazing.
I’m not totally against this despite the gloomy aspects I mentioned above. I would rather embrace the change then act as a Luddite no matter how much I enjoyed the days of yawnder.
I guess at this point, humans still enjoy watching other humans perform live. So there is still space that is just ours so to speak. (For now…Maybe?)
Will robots be next to perform for audiences? I mean for Pete’s sake,
People pay money to watch a hologram of Ronnie James Dio. Yeah that was a real person BUT it’s not a ‘true live performance’ except for the humans on stage playing with the hologram.
This is interesting for sure, I will %100 experiment with this software.
BTW @wintremute I’m with you and love the artwork you shared and was done by the AI.
Cheers
Thanks @wintremute for turning me into this and specifically wanting my opinion on this…I hope my response will do justice.
First off, I don’t know even know how I feel about this…When I first got into this game it was very different and I’m not sure where to begin.
I can with %100 confidence that this Genie is not going back into the bottle like Napster did with file sharing 23-24 years ago. I was knee deep in the industry then and it I watched the fall of the record company empire from the inside.
Music now is a commodity now if you think about it. Not many people pay for it.
That is most certainly having an effect on what being produced.
There was potential money for lease of music wither to movies or video games ect and I’m pretty sure that is going to be affected. As someone who’s down payment on their house was %100 money from leasing music, I see this coming into play real soon and I’m sure it’s already beginning.
We are on the cusps of major change to our industry.
I have watched the AI videos of the changing art like I’m sure most of you reading this and it’s nothing short of amazing.
I’m not totally against this despite the gloomy aspects I mentioned above. I would rather embrace the change then act as a Luddite no matter how much I enjoyed the days of yawnder.
I guess at this point, humans still enjoy watching other humans perform live. So there is still space that is just ours so to speak. (For now…Maybe?)
Will robots be next to perform for audiences? I mean for Pete’s sake,
People pay money to watch a hologram of Ronnie James Dio. Yeah that was a real person BUT it’s not a ‘true live performance’ except for the humans on stage playing with the hologram.
This is interesting for sure, I will %100 experiment with this software.
BTW @wintremute I’m with you and love the artwork you shared and was done by the AI.
Cheers
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Although I read all of your post, if quickly, I think I didn't see you say that you actually listened to any AI-generated music. So: Have you heard any that stuff?
Dude, it is vile.
I say this a someone who in the modular synthesis domain creates music that is the result of me curating the audible output my generative or semi-generative patches.
As I happen to have heard it to date, I think that AI-generated music is philosopho-intellectually mildly interesting and aesthetically utterly barren. I predict no aesthetically useful future for it.
Other than the Nirvana style song, I have not. Looking into it, it doesn't seem to be at the stage that AI generated art currently at. I am guessing that in a few short years, that will change, and the technology will catch up (as technology tends to do).
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I don't think you need a license to listen to music and be inspired by it, or to learn from it, even if you are a computer. If, however, you generate a song that is too close to a copyrighted song, then I think you are in the realm of legal trouble.
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Wintremute... An AI... Anyone else getting slight deja vu over this?
I have been wintremute for so long, I sometimes forget my binary origins.
I totally agree with that last sentiment. Right now, on the art side, it seems to be you put in the time and effort to get the right sequence of words in the hopes that something random will end up magical. That's how I kind of seeing the music side go, too. You will have to listen to hours of crap before you hear a minute of glory.
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Tony! Thank you so much for joining in. I think you have the right attitude of, you either adapt with changes and use them to your advantage, or you get left behind (as I hope I am paraphrasing you accurately).
I don't get why people get excited to see holograms perform, unless it's Gorillaz. And I can't see a very big appeal for robots playing music, because that's the same as watching an ipod play an mp3, but with more motion. However, so many people today love going to see DJs play music, so I can be totally wrong and out of touch with that idea.
Since you like fantasy, here's a few of the AI images I generated.
And here is what is going to be a book cover:
I would say, we pay, but in less obvious and transparent ways, when our USER DATA is the product that is being traded...
For the rest of your post, I agree.
What's it all worth when the power is out?
You can still make music in the dark with acoustic instruments.
There's an old saying, goes something like this: When something gets so easy even a fool could do it, eventually only fools will do it.
You can still make music in the dark with acoustic instruments.
There's an old saying, goes something like this: When something gets so easy even a fool could do it, eventually only fools will do it.
So true. I've found it out recently. Since Russia started to maul Ukrainian power grid, we've god 8 to 12 hours of blackout each day. Thank God I didn't sell my acoustic bass.
Some fantastic images there - esp. the one that you managed to sell for the book cover - congratulations!
AI is great at identifying structure and typical patterns and can then churn out further pieces in the style. Here['s an example of doing it to JS Bach, of all people, but they are successful at creating pieces that are sometimes very nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. If you can do Bach, you can do almost any genre you may think of. So far that's imitation. But a lot of human creativity comes from a combination of influences that have been put together in a new and unexpected way. That's easy to do with AI. Simply train it on both genres and allow it some flexibility mixing and matching. You may still need a (very patient) human to pick out the most successful attempts, but you may well come up with something that has broad appeal, and, in a human, would be praised as creative!
Want endless material for your <insert genre here> band? We are not far off from doing this in the mainstream. And when you think about it, it is exactly what successful human composers do - grab a formula and churn the handle - instant commercial jingle/Xmas Number one/pop hit. Only humans already have a variety of styles down, and can do the filtering themselves, so we're not quite there yet, but as someone said, that genie is not going back in the bottle.
AI is great at identifying structure and typical patterns and can then churn out further pieces in the style. Here['s an example of doing it to JS Bach, of all people, but they are successful at creating pieces that are sometimes very nearly indistinguishable from the real thing. If you can do Bach, you can do almost any genre you may think of. So far that's imitation. But a lot of human creativity comes from a combination of influences that have been put together in a new and unexpected way. That's easy to do with AI. Simply train it on both genres and allow it some flexibility mixing and matching. You may still need a (very patient) human to pick out the most successful attempts, but you may well come up with something that has broad appeal, and, in a human, would be praised as creative!
Want endless material for your <insert genre here> band? We are not far off from doing this in the mainstream. And when you think about it, it is exactly what successful human composers do - grab a formula and churn the handle - instant commercial jingle/Xmas Number one/pop hit. Only humans already have a variety of styles down, and can do the filtering themselves, so we're not quite there yet, but as someone said, that genie is not going back in the bottle.
Just thought I'd shed a little stray light on the situation.
Funny business with words.. I can't set my own poems to music. The Stranglers had music so direct it was almost predatory, and half their early songs have lyrics so vapid it's hard to fathom why they weren't more direct. No AI is going to model psychologies as diverse as these. If some kind of real intelligence arose from forms other than carbon based chemistry, that might be another thing entirely, but so far there seems to have been more erratic spawnings in the old telephone systems than in any computer. I suspect it's the rigorous binary nature itself, in preventing errors arising in computers, forcing strict repeatability, that makes it impossible. Or maybe number itself, in proportion to its own resolution, makes these things possible. There's a kind of magic in simple resistor ratios, and we already have more than enough resolution in 32 bits for that. So I guess I just have to be agnostic about what is possible.. I sometimes like to believe there's a ghost in every machine.
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Those are great. I wonder what would happened if you murmured 'Stratosfear' into it's tin little shell-like.
Meh. Most human output in the arts (music, painting, writing, etc.) is complete dreck. I suspect most AI-generated art will meet the same standard.
