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Asdown Little Bastard 30 EQ question

Jan 24, 2005
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Hi. I have read almost every thread on this subject and there is still no clear cut answer; some TB members say it's a Fender 0-10-0, others say no. I have read the article Tombowlus posted on Bass Gear and they said " Optimal Flat " was Mid-9:00, Bass- 10:30 to 11:00 and Treb- 9:30 to 10:00. When matching those settings, I get no balls at all from the amp unless I dime the volume knob; and since there is NO gain knob, that does not work for me. I then read from member RoadRanger about the " Fender 0-10-0 " where Mid is Cut only and Bass/Treble were add to taste. When using that mindset, Cutting Mid, adding Bass/Treb, this is what I ended up at : Mid- 3:00, Bass- 12:30 to 1:00 and Treb- 10:00. I now have plenty of volume and it sounds killer! Has anyone emailed Ashdown to ask them what flat is? What settings are other members using?
 
I actually have the schematic and was able to simulate the circuit in software. Glad it worked out for you - love my CTM-30 :) . As far as "flat" goes, the Fender style tone circuit doesn't do truly flat no matter where you set the controls - probably the main reason that Ampeg dominated the bass amp market over the weirdarse EQ on the Bassman. I have no idea why Ashdown thought it was a good idea to copy a failed design - maybe they expected most of these to end up as guitar amps like the Bassmans? But as you've see you can get a great tone out of them if you get out of the "flat at noon" mindset :cool:.
 
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I actually have the schematic and was able to simulate the circuit in software. Glad it worked out for you - love my CTM-30 :) . As far as "flat" goes, the Fender style tone circuit doesn't do truly flat no matter where you set the controls - probably the main reason that Ampeg dominated the bass amp market over the weirdarse EQ on the Bassman.

FWIW, here's an actual measurement of an Alembic F2B I used to own:

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That's less than -1dB at 50Hz and 5KHz. Looks just like that in my LTspice model as well...
 
Mine are ALL in the up position. Although many here have stated that a run of amps were built with the switches installed incorrectly. On my amp, the Mid switch sounds meatier in the up position, the Bass switch causes a huge Mid scoop in the down position and sounds way better in the Up position, the Treb gets supper bright in the down position.
 
Hi all, I recently purchased a 2nd hand LB30. I'm liking the tones but as per everyone else, I'm finding the controls pretty difficult!
I have a Fender Bassman, but that seems a lot simpler than the LB30. (e.g. The mids on my bassman seem to act mainly as a Gain, while the LB30 mids goes from very scooped to very headachy).

Has anyone ever figured out how to put the schematic into the Tonestack Calculator app?
 
Hi all, I recently purchased a 2nd hand LB30. I'm liking the tones but as per everyone else, I'm finding the controls pretty difficult!
I have a Fender Bassman, but that seems a lot simpler than the LB30. (e.g. The mids on my bassman seem to act mainly as a Gain, while the LB30 mids goes from very scooped to very headachy).

Has anyone ever figured out how to put the schematic into the Tonestack Calculator app?

I gave up on understanding the layout of the LB 30, and just started to twist knobs and slide the shift controls until I found a sound I liked.

You can find the manual here: Layout (shopify.com)

Paging @Wasnex he is far more knowledgeable than me regarding your question, and has also experience with a Fender Bassman.
 
I have an original LB30 (Mk1) and UK Custom Shop (Mk2). To my surprise the tone stacks are not identical. I did my best to trace out the Mk2 and this is what I got.
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The left image shows the changes which result in the middle image. The right image is the original schematic for the Mk1.

I believe the Mk2 functions similar to a Hiwatt tone stack. I set up this Hiwatt model to try an emulate how the controls respond.
TSC in the web (guitarscience.net)
No idea how close it is as the circuit is not identical...but visually the curves seem to move pretty similar to what I hear.

At the top of the page, you can select Fender TMB and insert values from the right image. You have to estimate the capacitor values for the Bass and Mid control because the added resistors change the RC constant. Here is my attempt: TSC in the web (guitarscience.net) I have not played the amp for awhile, but this seems to behave fairly similar to what I remember. It's not exact but should give you a rough idea of what is going on. As you turn up the Mid control, it fills in the mid scoop and boosts the Treble.

My Mk2 preamp stays clean with the tone controls maxed. The Mk1 preamp goes into OD if you turn up the tone controls too much. This is just an observation, whether it's good or b and depends on what you want. I believe the main difference is the Mk2 has a choke in the power supply. There may be other factors as well.

I believe it's possible to build a more accurate model in a SPICE simulation, but I don't have SPICE or know how to use it.
 
I have an original LB30 (Mk1) and UK Custom Shop (Mk2). To my surprise the tone stacks are not identical. I did my best to trace out the Mk2 and this is what I got.
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The left image shows the changes which result in the middle image. The right image is the original schematic for the Mk1.

I believe the Mk2 functions similar to a Hiwatt tone stack. I set up this Hiwatt model to try an emulate how the controls respond.
TSC in the web (guitarscience.net)
No idea how close it is as the circuit is not identical...but visually the curves seem to move pretty similar to what I hear.

At the top of the page, you can select Fender TMB and insert values from the right image. You have to estimate the capacitor values for the Bass and Mid control because the added resistors change the RC constant. Here is my attempt: TSC in the web (guitarscience.net) I have not played the amp for awhile, but this seems to behave fairly similar to what I remember. It's not exact but should give you a rough idea of what is going on. As you turn up the Mid control, it fills in the mid scoop and boosts the Treble.

My Mk2 preamp stays clean with the tone controls maxed. The Mk1 preamp goes into OD if you turn up the tone controls too much. This is just an observation, whether it's good or b and depends on what you want. I believe the main difference is the Mk2 has a choke in the power supply. There may be other factors as well.

I believe it's possible to build a more accurate model in a SPICE simulation, but I don't have SPICE or know how to use it.


Amazing thanks for doing that for me. I’ll have another tinker with the amp. I had thought the Mid knob was having way more affect on the tone but maybe I’m hearing with my eyes again. :laugh:
 
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I have two ashdowns. The mids stay dimed on them for me. If I need more I pull out more of the bass control and push the vol more.

If I need more than that I send a DI to something more powerful.

just the design I guess. much more mids on the ampegs, but I like the hair character of the ashdowns so much more I just deal with it.
 
OK so I just had another play with the tone controls of my LB30 and noticed some strange behavior.

  1. Middle knob attenuates highs.
    Putting mids on full sounds like I've turned the Tone knob of my bass all the way to 0.
    Or, if I first turn Highs up to 12 o'clock and then turn the Middle up, the treble content will begin to reduce.

  2. The Bright switch appears to engage when in the DOWN position
    However, the manual says it's engaged when in the UP position

I believe it's a MK1; made in PRC and Middle control is first. But it behaves nothing like my Fender Bassman, nor anyone else's LB30 experiences! I bought it secondhand so maybe it had some "modifications" in a previous life...?
 
OK so I just had another play with the tone controls of my LB30 and noticed some strange behavior.

  1. Middle knob attenuates highs.
    Putting mids on full sounds like I've turned the Tone knob of my bass all the way to 0.
    Or, if I first turn Highs up to 12 o'clock and then turn the Middle up, the treble content will begin to reduce.

  2. The Bright switch appears to engage when in the DOWN position
    However, the manual says it's engaged when in the UP position

I believe it's a MK1; made in PRC and Middle control is first. But it behaves nothing like my Fender Bassman, nor anyone else's LB30 experiences! I bought it secondhand so maybe it had some "modifications" in a previous life...?

If the Mid control comes first, I think it's probably a Mk1. But it's possible there are more variations of this amp.

It's possible the tone stack is damaged, but I suspect it's fine. I agree it does not sound or respond exactly like a Fender tone stack. This is because different values were chose for the components and probably because of the added Mid-Shift and Bass-Shift circuits.

FYI if you want an amp that sounds and responds very similar to a blackface Fender, try the Orange AD200B with the Master maxed out.

FYI, The bright switch on some of my Ashdowns works in reverse as well. Also, the Hi Low inputs are reversed on my LB30 Mk2. I have just come to the conclusion Ashdowns are quirky and inconsistent...and yes it used to bug the crap out of me, like ants on my brain
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If you play around with the Fender tone stack calculator I set up, this is the curve with the Bass and Treble fully CCW and the Mid at 5
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As you see the high end is emphasized and does not roll off.

If you adjust the mid control, it does not modify shape of the curve, it just changes the level of gain. So the same shape simply moves up or down on the graph.

If you turn up the Bass and Treble you start to get a mid scoop. This is Bass 5, Mid 5, and Treble 2
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As a mentioned this model is not a perfect copy of the LB30 tone stack because it's missing various components. But hopefully it gives you a decent approximation for what is going on when you twist the knobs. Use your ears and learn how the controls interact. Also learn the range in which the controls are actually functional.

Another aspect of this tone stack that I find a bit confusing is the Mid-Shift switch. IMHO the Mid-Shift actually modifies the curve of the Bass control rather than the curve of the Mid control. If you turn the Bass control fully CCW the Mid-Shift has no impact on the sound. In one position the Bass control reaches further into the mids, so the sound is less mid-scooped. In the other position the upper cutoff of the Bass control is moved to a lower frequency.

Essentially, in one position the Bass control creates a curve similar to the purple line and in the other position you get something like the black line.
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This is about the closest I can get the calculator to flat
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The amp in this video appears to be a Mk1, which makes sense because it's 11 years old. I linked the video to start where he begins playing. You can go to the beginning if you like. I think this may be the best video overall for this model.



It looks like he can crank the tone controls without the preamp distorting. The preamp in my Mk1 produces OD if I run the tone controls up too high. I bought the amp used and have not played any other Mk1, so I can't say if it's normal or an Ashdown quirk. I think the amp sounds good.
 

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