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Double Bass Audio Sprockets ToneDexter

A low impedance output to a high impedance input is no problem at all.
Some DI outs are even switchable from mic level to line level (and a hotter output than the 1/4" leads to the conclusion that the XLR out is line level).

Don't think that matching is important. Think of a load (high input impedance: low load, low input impedance: high load) and you won't like to have the load higher than what the out can deliver.
On the other hand a low output impedance means that it can take high load, but a high output impedance means that a high load would let the output signal break down (at least partially).

But I'm not completely sure about the inverse output signal. Usually on mono XLR-1/4" adapters the inverse signal is bridged to ground. If the output was designed well the shortening shouldn't damage the output and it might even be needed. In most if not all cases it might work in that direction without the bridging (just hot to hot and shield/ground to shield/ground). You might want to check the XLR if there is a short from inverse signal to ground.

Hi @DoubleMIDI, yes, please disregard my comment of impedance matching -- a misconception I had that I hopefully cleared after reading info more carefully. I had thought mic-type connections were impedance-matching, but no, they're still impedance-bridging.

I was just thinking that what could benefit the level is a re-amper like this: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
My reasoning is that it depends on how the input on the power amp in the MAS speaker is designed. If it expects an input like a regular bass guitar amp, raising the output impedance of the Tonedexter (600 ohms I think) to something more like a bass guitar output (few kohms) may benefit the signal (tone, apparent low-end ??). But anyway... I just barely understand the surface of electronic circuits. I have a reamper and used it successfully at church playing pre-recorded bass tracks on a bass amp.

I think the 6 dB difference of XLR vs. 1/4" comes from: on an XLR connector the input device inverts the inverted signal (pin 3) and sums it to the normal signal (pin 2), thereby achieving the cancelation of any acquired EMI noise. The 6 dB comes from the resulting signal being twice the level, ie. 20 * log( 2 ).

So, maybe a impedance transformer that would do that job of inverting and summing could help. Perhaps something like this (though I'm not sure about the resulting output impedances): Impedance Transformer - Hosa Technology, or this: A15BT Bridging Transformer | Shure Americas
 
I wish I had not talked about combining the TD with the Felix. What a nightmare of too many cords. I tried it on a gig (just putting the pickup into the Felix and then into the TD and then into the power amp) Truth is the AI focus/Tonedexter combo rocks too (pickup into the Focus FX loop for TD) and is way simpler and easier to manage (velcro the TD to the top of the Focus)
The Felix sounds great but not so much greater that I want all those cords in my life. If there was some way of having a pedal board with ONE cord out to the wall and a powered speaker I might do it but the truth is the TD works pretty damn well by itself into anything. I found a really live WM that I made and had not used because at home it sounded way too brite, but on the gig it sounds airy as hell I love it. Wish I could remember how I made it. A good WM like that really makes you focus on how clean and controlled you play. It shows ALL your flaws....
 
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Man Im spending too much time with this but, when I was thinking about how to best utilize a preamp in this signal chain, the first easiest way it sounds good is to preamp the pickup. But in listening back (thru a looping pedal) what I didnt like about the sound was the mids. I kept trying to get the input signal perfect, but the Felix has this excellent mid sculpting eq and so today I ran it the other way with the pickup going into the TD and then the output of that going into the Felix and then the powered speaker, and used the eq to pull the mids back (the Tone dexter does not have any MID eq). Turns out that alone made the biggest difference in getting a brittle airy sound into a warm airy sound.
Is there any way to take a standard three pin power cord and a wall wart (on the TD) and get them into one powercord with the least, knot at the end of a rope thing?
 
You can buy hose-like tubing designed to wrap around multiple cables. This is the Hosa WHD10:

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Or you can be a cheapskate and just attach a twist-tie every couple of inches.
 
You might be happy using a xlr to 1/4 cable between the TD and your MAS.

The balanced DI out from the TD through an XLR to 1/4" Lo-Z to Hi-Z adapter worked great - much, much more volume!

So it got me thinking about what I can do to the MAS18 to make it work better with the TD and/or with the Felix.
I discovered the ICEPower unit in the powered MAS18 has balanced input. So I did a little mod and replaced the 1/4" socket with a hybrid XLR-1/4" socket that accepts either. And wired so a balanced 1/4" cable or XLR would work the same....
now using XLR from TD to MAS results in... drum roll... same low output as before. It turns out the Lo-Z to Hi-Z adapter is the key to making the TD hotter. (As an aside, I realized that the MAS's original jack was stereo and set up to pass a balanced signal to the ICEPower unit)

Now that I got the volume thing out of the way, I need to get better tone out of this....
Still haven't been able to match the quality of sound I get with the Ischell/Yamahiko through the Felix.
I made a series of WM's with an Oktava MK219 (large condenser mic) at 12", 18", 2' from the Bass side F hole. With Drums and piano, it sounds OK but not great. some of those WM's seem better than others.

I have a friend with experience recording basses - he has a small home studio and a collection of mics and has volunteered to help me record some new WM's next week in his studio - I'm hoping to get better results from that.
 
I think close micing is gunna be way better for your WM"s. Also, the Yamahiko and Ischell blended into the Felix is about two grand worth of super fine sound. Hard to beat that. I love using that particular set up. On my bass if I dial the mids (2 oclock on the freq knob) back (9 oclock mids knob) on both those channels it is such a great sound.
Kristian sent me a recent recording of his group at the Nardis club in Istanbul using the TD and he is getting a great sound. (pickup is the Wilson 1) maybe he will post it here.
 
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I think close micing is gunna be way better for your WM"s. Also, the Yamahiko and Ischell blended into the Felix is about two grand worth of super fine sound. Hard to beat that. I love using that particular set up. On my bass if I dial the mids (2 oclock on the freq knob) back (3 oclock mids knob) on both those channels it is such a great sound.
Kristian sent me a recent recording of his group at the Nardis club in Istanbul using the TD and he is getting a great sound. (pickup is the Wilson 1) maybe he will post it here.

Tadaaa! Hahaha! ;)
I'll put some more videos from that concert next week but this one is a good example since it was quite loud.
 
The Fdeck2 which most DB players seem to prefer is 12db/oct.

The Fdeck3, favoured by a lot of BG players, is 24db/oct. It is 2 cascaded 12db/oct filters, one fixed at 45Hz the other variable from about 40 to 120Hz.

Disclaimer - The Fdeck3 info is all from memory as it is slightly better than my searching skills. :laugh:
 
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Right now I'm not using Gerold's string(I'm waiting for a new bass and will probably get a set for that one), I'm using a set of red Mitchell medium and I'm experimenting with some different high E strings. The string length is only 90cm so the strings get a bit softer than what they would be at "normal" string length.
Let me know when you do get a set made. Gerold’s been promising to make me a set for two years now.
 
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