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AudioKinesis 1x12 Cab Part Two

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JxBass said:
I've hesitated to comment on this but figured since we're currently in the realm of studio monitors - what the heck ...

...Pairing the AI Clarus with the TC112 has been a heavenly experience. With some EQ tweaking I was able to achieve the same smooth vibe as the STM-900 but with an up-level in clarity. And being able to add a hint of chorus or reverb in the second channel, on top of a clean first channel, is pretty cool. Verdict: I sold the STM-900.

Lastly, the stealthy, mil-spec appearance of the two is perfect, IMHO
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Oh, dear. I really wish you hadn't posted this. I had been toying with the idea of getting a late-model Clarus before I bought my Streamliner. I love the SL for the most part, but I do have to run fairly extreme EQ settings to get "my" tone out of it, and I still occasionally wish for even a little more clarity.

I had been hoping that the Streamliner/Thunder Child pairing would be an end to GAS for me, but I'm still waiting for my TC, and yet it seems that the old "what if" gland is still functioning...
 
#722
JxBass said:
I've hesitated to comment on this but figured since we're currently in the realm of studio monitors - what the heck ...
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In keeping with the spirit of this post, I decided to run my older Walter Woods MI-400-8 in to the Thunderchild 112 this morning since they have somethings in common with the Claris+. It sounded much like Jx described.

JxBass said:
To me, this is like playing through a big-time studio monitor for bass. Almost like a giant Cafe Walter :) I know the AI amps don't get too much attention beyond the DB world but it's a pretty terrific pairing, again IMHO.
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Bass, Midrange and Treble EQ voicing of the Walter Woods is different than the AI, but I really thought that it sounded great. Something I hadn't thought of doing until today. Thanks JxBass
 
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steve_rolfeca said:
Oh, dear. I really wish you hadn't posted this. I had been toying with the idea of getting a late-model Clarus before I bought my Streamliner. I love the SL for the most part, but I do have to run fairly extreme EQ settings to get "my" tone out of it, and I still occasionally wish for even a little more clarity.

I had been hoping that the Streamliner/Thunder Child pairing would be an end to GAS for me, but I'm still waiting for my TC, and yet it seems that the old "what if" gland is still functioning...
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The Streamliner is a really, really great amp. Like you, I don't run my amps flat and did some EQ-ing to get the sound I wanted. Although I found it full and clear it did sound a bit wooly at times and I found that changing volume often resulted in changing EQ.

My concerns on the AI were around the comments, some negative, on the lack of EQ; their literature even mentions it not being an amp that's big on EQ. As I said in my initial post, I found it very close tonally to the STM-900 but with more clarity, which is of course what AI is noted for (and what I wanted). Yes, I did have to EQ, but not extreme; and the EQ stays the same as I change volume.

Another cool feature is that as I bring in the second channel the overall volume doesn't change. Neat.

Ric Vice said:
In keeping with the spirit of this post, I decided to run my older Walter Woods MI-400-8 in to the Thunderchild 112 this morning since they have somethings in common with the Claris+. It sounded much like Jx described.



Bass, Midrange and Treble EQ voicing of the Walter Woods is different than the AI, but I really thought that it sounded great. Something I hadn't thought of doing until today. Thanks JxBass
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You're welcome :bassist:

EDIT: And now back to our regularly scheduled Thunderchild programming.
 
#724
Just a funny aside. I've played two EB gigs (I'm a 50/50 doubler)
where I pumped the TC to it's limits. Most of my loud gigs have pa support, so even at stupid loud concert volumes the TC even really pumped sounds great. First gig the band level came up a lot louder from soundcheck(gee, that never happens)(two electric guitars that must have found the eleven mark). I think that the sound guy was checking his investment portfolio because my sound didn't come up and he wasn't around. So I turned the EA Doubler up until I was seeing the yellow light quite regularly. Supposedly 550 watts into 4. I probably could have used a bigger cab, but even at it's limit, the TC went LOUD and sounded great. Next gig my DI box went out during a set. There wasn't time to swap it out so I just had to again put about 550 into it. I originally had it angled toward me as more of a monitor, but the sound guy angled it out to the audience. The guitarist in this band came up to me while we were playing and said---"man, you're going to blow your speaker!!!" I looked at the little 12 incher and, man I've NEVER seen excursion like that! I swear it looked like an inch. Duke told me that I couldn't blow it up, might get it farting out or more likely banging against the back plate. No fart out or banging and still sounding better than any 12" box (especially this size) has any right to. This cab has REALLY exceeded any expectation!
 
#725
Mike Arnopol said:
Duke told me that I couldn't blow it up...
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Uhhh... I don't remember saying this, but if I did, please don't try TOO hard to prove me wrong!!

I've had one woofer voice coil cooked in the field, so it can happen.

Sorry if I misled you, Mike!

kittyboy said:
Congrats on competing well outside your price class Duke--those speakers are three times the price of yours, aren't they?
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Retail, yes. Street price I dunno, but probably pretty close (my speakers+Crown amp come to about four grand).

I was told today that Trevor Horn (the producer in question) thought my speakers "sound great and very natural", but were too big for his room and so he wanted to try some others. Was also told by the man who designed Trevor's studio that he thought my speakers were "very musical", and that he'd offer them to future studio clients. Sweet!
 
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Duke: congrats! Being wrong sized for some particular application, but sounding great is a good review.

Side:
Used the Walkabout/TC112AF w/DB for big band rehearsal tonight. '20's-40's swing kinda stuff, three piece horn section; small PA for vocals.
It had waaaay more to give than I needed, and it sounded fab.
 
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I know that you didn't say that I couldn't blow it up (my bad--just that it could have very long excursion before sounding nasty))---and at the level I was playing at I wouldn't keep pushing it like that----excursion limit is one thing, but I can imagine that that 3012lf wouldn't be too pleased with the thermal excess. My point was more that I was surprised that when being pushed that hard it still had surprising low end control . It didn't sound as diffuse as other long-excursion (albeit ungodly heavy) woofers that I've used in the past when pushed near their excursion limits.
Congrats, by the way for the positive response for your monitors!
 
#730
::::BASSIST:::: said:
I read that the Thunderchild 12's are now being constructed from Italian poplar. How's that working out?
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Switching from Arauco (Lowe's plywood) to Italian Poplar dropped the weight from 34 pounds down to 31 pounds. Can't say that's a huge difference, but it's a step in the right direction. The last thirty or so bass cabs I've shipped have been made from Italian Poplar.
 
#734
RColie said:
I just received two TC12s made of Italian Poplar a couple of weeks ago, and they are indeed 31 pounds. Incredibly light and incredibly good sounding. I'm very careful when I move mine around but they seem very sturdy and I've had no dents or dings.

Bob
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Remember that LeCover has very nice padded covers available for these, in two versions. One has a large cut-out for the top handle that leaves the entire top 'rectangle indentation' open. The other version has a more traditional small handle cut-out... not as comfortable to carry, but a bit more protection.

You can order the cover with no LeCover logo for an additional $10 (small deal, but I like the cleaner look), and also include a bottom velcro strap for another $10 that keeps the cover on tight when sliding into an SUV or van.

Just FYI!
 
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::::BASSIST:::: said:
Thanks Duke. No problems with it being a softer wood re: denting etc?
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Haven't had any complaints, but yes it is a softer wood. The rough texture of the Duratex is pretty forgiving of minor dings, and it can be touched up with a black Sharpie. The corner protectors help a lot, because that's where most hits occur.

I think you have a Robby Hoinsky cab, don't you? I bet that foam-core fiberglass is great. I'm in contact with someone about possibly offering something along those lines as an option at some point.
 
#738
KJung said:
Remember that LeCover has very nice padded covers available for these, in two versions. One has a large cut-out for the top handle that leaves the entire top 'rectangle indentation' open. The other version has a more traditional small handle cut-out... not as comfortable to carry, but a bit more protection.

You can order the cover with no LeCover logo for an additional $10 (small deal, but I like the cleaner look), and also include a bottom velcro strap for another $10 that keeps the cover on tight when sliding into an SUV or van.

Just FYI!
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Thanks, Ken. I purchased the non-padded covers from LeCover a while ago when I ordered the cabinets, since I always transport my equipment in my car, but I think I'll go back to Larry and get the padded covers - the cabinets are too nice to risk a ding!
 
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DukeLeJeune said:
Haven't had any complaints, but yes it is a softer wood. The rough texture of the Duratex is pretty forgiving of minor dings, and it can be touched up with a black Sharpie. The corner protectors help a lot, because that's where most hits occur.

I think you have a Robby Hoinsky cab, don't you? I bet that foam-core fiberglass is great. I'm in contact with someone about possibly offering something along those lines as an option at some point.
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Yeah, I do have a Art of Noise Audio fEARful 15/6 built by Robby. Its a great cab.

Now the final piece for me is the 12/6. Of course being a weight weenie I want to go light as possible and read on the fEARful forum that you were using Italian Popular. I know that wood is incredibly light but it looks like you are finding success with it, so I will probably go with that and add extra bracing just to be safe. I dont mind if it gets dinged up a bit, to me the weight savings are paramount. I currently own Passinwind's old 12/6 that I acquired in a trade. Beautiful cab but super heavy duty at 62LBS. I am going to build a new box for it and just swap the components over.
 
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