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AudioKinesis 1x12 Cab Part Two

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Back from my road gig. I tell you what, this little cab continues to amaze me.

I played with no PA support, large band (two singers, DJ, guitar, bass, drums, keys), in a moderate sized room (maybe 150 guests), with the volume equivalent to an unmic'd drummer slamming hard.... so 'loud but not stupid'.

I was using the F500 and Sadowsky J, and the rig just totally cruised through that gig. Plenty of real bottom (although more punchy than putting a pillow under the band), NO compression, even when cranking at the end of the night, and it even held up to a little bit of slapping on a few tunes that required it.

This was a nasty. downtown load-in venue. I parked a block away in a large parking garage, walked to the front door of the hotel with the bass on my back and the head, cab and stand on my Kart-a-bag, walked in and took the rig up the escalator to the 2nd floor main hall (ran into Kenwood Dennard and Stanley Jordan in the lobby on the way to their gig!).... piece of cake while the other guys had to load in at the loading dock, then move their cars, and reverse that deal at the end of the night. Nice!!!!

The only 'downside' to this cab for some is also its strongest feature... very even, neutral voicing through the upper mids and treble. This cab does not growl or grind. It is clean, and smooth and pure, which again, is a good thing in an absolute sense. However, for some tones (like a grindy J Bass with roundwounds, it can come off as a bit 'sterile' versus a more traditional cab with more of that 'rough upper midrange' coming off the top of the driver.

Perfect for many contexts though, and by far the 'king of the 112's' regarding stand-alone use in venues and contexts where most 112's (and even many 210's) would give up the ghost by the end of the first set.:bassist:
 
The only 'downside' to this cab for some is also its strongest feature... very even, neutral voicing through the upper mids and treble. This cab does not growl or grind. It is clean, and smooth and pure, which again, is a good thing in an absolute sense. However, for some tones (like a grindy J Bass with roundwounds, it can come off as a bit 'sterile' versus a more traditional cab with more of that 'rough upper midrange' coming off the top of the driver.

I'm guessing you're talking about the 750-850hz region which, I would think, one could easily put back in via parametric EQ or are you talking about something entirely different?
 
Hey ken, How would you compare the Thunderchild 12 volume wise to a single RS210, or your Berg AE410?

RS210 or Berg AE210.... about the same maximum volume, but with MUCH more open low end, no compression, more presence.

Compared to the AE410... well, no comparison, the AE410 will bury it.

The TC112 is again a VERY good 112 that will not only perform at good quality 210 levels, but will outperform them in clean, open, real low end when pushed a bit. It sits nicely between a 210 and 212 in terms of volume, low end and again, that sort of compression you get when pushing a cab to its limits. It reminds me a bit of my Epi 310UL in performance (not tone, but the fact that it is kind of like a 210+ in presence on the gig).

Hope that makes sense. Hard to exactly describe.
 
Yes, and, no.
You could eq that back in, but, it won't "have the same feel as a lighter duty paper cone breaking up a little" in that region...

I'm guessing you're talking about the 750-850hz region which, I would think, one could easily put back in via parametric EQ or are you talking about something entirely different?
 
Yes, and, no.
You could eq that back in, but, it won't "have the same feel as a lighter duty paper cone breaking up a little" in that region...

+1 I do bump the mids at around 1K with every bass I use with the Thunderchild, and it does get nice and bright, but it is a 'different bright' than, for example, my AE210 or even the Acme FullRange... cleaner, clearer, purer, which again can be a huge positive in many situations, and a mild negative in some others.
 
Odd, I had an RS112 at one point and felt that it had noticably less output than a RS210. Mainly why I'm using RS210's again. I personally wouldn't compare an RS112 to the RS210.

Not sure what the RS112 has to do with your question. Did I miss something. I was comparing the Thunderchild 112 to the RS210 and Berg AE210.

It will TOTALLY bury an RS112
 
Forgive me if this is buried in the thread, but how does this cab compare with a Schroeder 15? Tonally, Total Volume, and Clarity...??

Size... about the same
Weight... a bit heavier
low end... a lot more
volume... about the same with a bit more power applied
response... MUCH more even and studio monitor-like


I like the 115L+ from what it is, a small, very lightweight, VERY punchy cab. The Thunderchild is very different... much smoother, more true low end, takes a bit more power to get there (although that shouldn't be an issue if you have the typical 400-600 watt micro).
 
+1 to Ken's comments.

I too have owned both the 15+L and TC112. I liked the 15+L a lot - light, loud, and even in tone IMO - but it wasn't very warm sounding and, like Ken said, not PA-like. It still had that Schroeder sound, though less than other Schroeder cabs, again IMHO.
 
Back from my road gig. I tell you what, this little cab continues to amaze me.

Ken,
Well, here's my experiences with the Thunderchild 112.
I just returned from a four day tour with Mary Wilson ( Supremes) she and author James Gavin are doing a tribute to Lena Horne. Mary sings around 10 tunes that Lena made famous and James narrates and reads passages from his book. Very cool. I played Rolla Mo. , St. Louis, and Burlington IA. The The Thunderchild was on all of those gigs. It filled the stage of the Lea Auditorium, Florissant Civic Center, and the Washington in Burlington. Tuesday and Wednesday I did two concerts at the Sheldon Auditorium in St. Louis. Again it filled the stage, I was doubling on this gig with both my DB and Lakland 55-94 (thanks Ken) into the Thunderchild 112 (thanks Ken) I barley had the Walter Woods Ultra past 3 (thanks Ken)

The only 'downside' to this cab for some is also its strongest feature... very even, neutral voicing through the upper mids and treble. This cab does not growl or grind. It is clean, and smooth and pure, which again, is a good thing in an absolute sense.

Which makes it the perfect Double Bass Cabinet, and great for the Lakland 55-94 which is a much mellower bass. But it will sit up and bark just enough to get the job done for me.

Perfect for many contexts though, and by far the 'king of the 112's' regarding stand-alone use in venues and contexts where most 112's (and even many 210's) would give up the ghost by the end of the first set.:bassist:

If you're a doubler this is the best cabinet on the planet IMHO for that application. I have a VL 208 that weighs 48 lbs and a LDS 2x8 three way with B&C neo' drivers. Both those cabinets pale in comparison to the Thunderchild 112.
While they have other things going for them in specific applications, the Thunderchild weighs less and sounds significantly better.

Ric
 
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