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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...

Luthier par excellence Marco Cortes at the Bass Con with the new Hathor 1863 next to my TC112AF for scale reference. That white bass he built for the GTG has an acrylic sheet top, just nuts!

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Now I'm actually kind of glad I didn't make it. That would have absolutely killed any enjoyment of checking out other rigs/basses.
It came in waves. There were a lot of times where there was only 1 or maybe 2 people playing, and often farther apart. I got to sit down with one of Rod's basses for about 30 minutes and listen really intently to the pickups and preamp and make some decisions right there. But, then other times it got cranked up. It's a problem, I'm just not sure if I should solve it, or if it even really is solvable while maintaining the spirit of the convention.
 
It came in waves. There were a lot of times where there was only 1 or maybe 2 people playing, and often farther apart. I got to sit down with one of Rod's basses for about 30 minutes and listen really intently to the pickups and preamp and make some decisions right there. But, then other times it got cranked up. It's a problem, I'm just not sure if I should solve it, or if it even really is solvable while maintaining the spirit of the convention.

Well, it's partly the nature of the beast. There is a reason NAMM is considered a madhouse (not that I know from firsthand experience). That said, I would not have been able to handle that kind cacophony. Charlie mentioned that off peak hours, early in the day, and later in the evening, it was more mellow. I'd probably just time my attendance around that.
 
Yeah, I can record a simple loop. I even have two outs and a stereo amp, so the conditions will be near identical. It wouldn't be a perfect representation of what the cab sounds like, but I think people should be able to hear the differences between the two fairly well.

Now I need to figure out how to place the mic for the Hathor. Hmph.
 
i think i did it so the placement was about centered on the space between the cone edge and the tweeter/horn. probably edging toward the cone side a bit. i have a picture of it somewhere.

my basic thought was a few different techniques (i also did fretted/fretless, flats, rounds . . . yeah, i'm nuts) so you could hear the difference in response and so forth between the cabs.
 
I got to play with the new 1863 Quite a bit. It is a glorious cab! Massive air mover, too. I had all four ports plugged and it was rattling the entire brewery when I was palm muting! The mids are fantastic, and the top end extension is impressive given that it has two 3" cone drivers. In fact, A/B'ing with Charlies TC112, I didn't miss anything on the top end. The voicing switches also give a lot of options. Somehow Duke was able to make the 18Sound mid usable. There was a Fearful 1515661 with a true three way on hand that has two of the same drivers with and it. Somehow in that cab this driver sounded very harsh, but in dukes you could have it either aggressive or smooth (via switch), but never did I find it harsh or overbearing. At one point I had all ports open and used my Aggie DB-659 with the gain cranked, mids and lows maxed, and the deep switch on (all settings were for max gain), this cab gave a pretty great overdriven doomy SVT sound. Plug the ports, turn off the threes, and put the mids in the smooth setting, and you have an old R&B thumpy monster. I was never able to give what I would call too much. Never did the cab wimper or even let on that I was giving it enough. I even had it moving across the floor at one point (when another attendee was holding the rack to try to cut down on rattles). Just massive, clean, usable sound. Overall, I would say it is a win. More output than a 4x10, it could hold its own against the monster feaful and an SVT stack near by, and you could get almost as clean as a TC series cab, but if you needed an aggressive mid to cut through a thick mix, it could do that, too.

Nice job Mark. I'll just add that most of the time we were using my 1000 watt @4ohm power amp and the 1863 never seemed strained at all by that.
 
Last night's hit - this is about as close I'll ever get to the "sound in my head" (as opposed to the voices in my head). Plus I could life the cab in my post-surgery state :D
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That's pretty much the sound in my head too. Thanks for recording and posting this!!

Did anyone go to the Northwest GTG show? I spoke with Duke a while back and he mentioned he was going to send a new prototype of the 10" cabinet he had designed. I'm very interested in that one for sure. If anyone tried it or played it I would be interested.

The 110 didn't get finished in time because I made a mistake. And maybe that's just as well...

You see, I haven't been totally happy with the frequency response of the Kappalite 3010LF for this role, but there really is no off-the-shelf 10" woofer that combines the frequency response I'd want with a motor that comes anywhere near that Kappalite motor. So...

I'm looking into the possibility of having a custom 10" Kappalite variant made. If I go that route, it will of course add to the delay before the 110 is launched, sorry about that. But as I get older, I'm less inclined to spend my time working on things that I have reservations about.

I got to play with the new 1863 Quite a bit. It is a glorious cab! Massive air mover, too. I had all four ports plugged and it was rattling the entire brewery when I was palm muting! The mids are fantastic, and the top end extension is impressive given that it has two 3" cone drivers. In fact, A/B'ing with Charlies TC112, I didn't miss anything on the top end.

Thank you SO MUCH!! It was a very interesting cab from a designer's standpoint. More trial-and-error than normal went into the crossover design, because what I was hearing didn't precisely track what my measurements seemed to be saying.

One of the things I worked on was getting good lower midrange out of that 6" cone mid. You probably notice this detail, but all of the openings in that open-format mid chamber are the same size. This is because they are all actually ports, and are tuning that mid chamber such that the midrange driver has good lower mids along with adequate thermal and mechanical power handling to keep up with that 1200 watt woofer. So a fair amount of engineering went into that part of the design.

The voicing switches also give a lot of options. Somehow Duke was able to make the 18Sound mid usable... in dukes you could have it either aggressive or smooth (via switch), but never did I find it harsh or overbearing.

According to my measurements, that 18Sound mid has a 9 dB(!) peak just north of 4 kHz. That's a really big peak in what is imo a really bad place, for two reasons: First, that's right about where our ears are the most sensitive; and second, that's right smack in the region that belongs to the electric guitars. BUT, that mid has the best combination of power handling and efficiency of anything in its size ballpark, by a fairly big margin (according to the math, it has more output capability than the two 5" mids in the 1855). So I made sure that peak was adequately suppressed, as it's in a really bad place for my "zig where the guitars zag" approach.

More output than a 4x10, it could hold its own against the monster fearful and an SVT stack near by, and you could get almost as clean as a TC series cab, but if you needed an aggressive mid to cut through a thick mix, it could do that, too.

Very glad to hear that both of those voicings worked for you. That's what I was hoping for of course, but until someone else hears it too, I'm never really sure.

I heard a similarity to my Bergantino HD112 with tweeter flat on Sunday; I should of wrote down position the AK1863 switches or ports open/closed when that happened.

Well obviously I wasn't there, but my guess on the switches is, top switch UP (highs to about 12 kHz), bottom switch DOWN (upper mids smoothed out). On the ports, my guess is that at least some of them were plugged.
 
I'm almost certain for the vast majority of the Convention, 2 ports (diagonal) were unplugged.
Thank you so much Selta for bring my big heavy cab, along with your big heavy cab, and on top of everything else (obvious and not) that goes into making something like the Emerald City Bass Convention happen! And, a big THANK YOU to Mrs. Selta too!
 
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Is there an explanation that can be provided, for someone with a caveman like understanding of math and physics, as to how an AK 18 inch cab can put out as much volume, or more, than a 4x10 cab? I mean, I am sure that it does as the volume of my hathor never fails to amaze me, and I don't doubt it. Is it just that the average 4x10 is very ineffecient? What would happen if Duke make a 4x10?
 
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Is there an explanation that can be provided, for someone with a caveman like understanding of math and physics, as to how an AK 18 inch cab can put out as much volume, or more, than a 4x10 cab? I mean, I am sure that it does as the volume of my hathor never fails to amaze me, and I don't doubt it. Is it just that the average 4x10 is very ineffecient? What would happen if Duke make a 4x10?


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