Great stuff. Thank you for sharing. Glad I got into work early so I could have a listen at a good volume
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AudioKinesis Cabs Part VI...
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Interesting; you’re playing 7-6-7 in Funky music. I always play 8-7-8. Your approach is definitely more interesting; is it like that on the original and I’ve just never heard it?
I actually move between different lines. The guitar plays the signature riff in the song, so the bass has a bit more freedom, at least in my world. Actually even in tunes where the bass has the signature line I'll stray from that. I"m usually trying to get at the spirit of the part rather than a note-for-note rendering. Part of being not static
I feel the same way, but for whatever reason I've never experimented much with that tune. I'll try it on Friday. New band for me; the guys don't completely trust me to go off-reservation yet.I actually move between different lines. The guitar plays the signature riff in the song, so the bass has a bit more freedom, at least in my world. Actually even in tunes where the bass has the signature line I'll stray from that. I"m usually trying to get at the spirit of the part rather than a note-for-note rendering. Part of being not static
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You have excellent ears! Based on what you reported here, I checked and you are absolutely right! The Changeling 112 Tall is indeed tuned higher than the Thunderchild 112. The math said "just about same tuning frequency", but actual measurements say the Changeling 112T, with all ports open, is tuned about 4 Hz higher. This would translate into more upper bass, but less fundamental. Plugging one port might would theoretically get closer to the Thunderchild 112, but still not quite all the way there, as the Thunderchild still has about 2/10th of a cubic foot more internal volume.
That being said, here's what I propose: I can send you four little port tube inserts that you can install in the ports to lengthen them a bit and lower the tuning frequency. I can do this for the other Changeling 112T's that are out there... just let me know. The longer port tubes will become standard on the Changeling 112T. I can't do it for the three-port regular-height Changeling 112 (and current three-port Hathor 1203) cabs; the insides are too crowded, but I don't think they need it anyway.
There is indeed a slightly different circuit on the mid switch. Imo the circuit in the Hathor 1203 results in a little bit of scoopage in the upper mids when engaged, and the circuit in the Changeling 112 has a more "even" voicing, which I think is more useful. Of course I hope that both mid voicings are useful, depending on the situation. The increased reverberant energy from the rear-firing mid changes the "feel" as well - hopefully in a good, more "open-sounding" way.
Just curious... was three-ports-plugged (aka one-port-open) useful?
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Not trying to derail the current discussion or make this all me-me-me, but speaking of ports and plugs, I decided to change the pickup height on my bass today because as my right hand has developed strength and a little more even picking technique (even since getting the Birdhaus 48 back in September), I've been feeling like my bass was too fat in the lows and lean in the upper mids, and EQ changes and plugging/unplugging the Birdhaus ports wasn't quite making it right. So I made my pickup a little higher but level (before I had it pretty low overall but higher on the under the low strings, and quite low under the high strings to tame the top end). With the higher pickup height, and correspondingly higher signal output, I notice that suddenly the Birdhaus ports have become more powerful and useful EQ tools.
I like the tight bass response I get with them both plugged, but with the upper one unplugged the little bit looser response is a nice tradeoff to the fuller, smoother, bloomier feel. With both unplugged I start getting into the need to adjust the EQ some more. But whatever--having multiple pluggable ports is really cool!
Carry on...
I like the tight bass response I get with them both plugged, but with the upper one unplugged the little bit looser response is a nice tradeoff to the fuller, smoother, bloomier feel. With both unplugged I start getting into the need to adjust the EQ some more. But whatever--having multiple pluggable ports is really cool!
Carry on...
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Hi,
Ive been studying this 327 page thread for many days. Thank you all for this input, advice and years of history.
Goal of 'downsizing' from my LDS 15/6 cab, as we usually have house support. Im torn between the H1203 and the TC112.
My stress over this was solved when I was offered the chance to purchase a Hathor 1203T (tall 22in.) , basically bringing the low end almost up to the tc112. Maybe the first for the 1203T cab as I haven't seen much talk except the concept mentioned somewhere in the thread. Totally excited and unstressed now. After I play it I will have some foundation for which second cab to purchase. Obvious choices being another 1203T or a 1203 or a TC112. Appreciating Duke's attentiveness I, feel like I cant go wrong here. Thank you!
JC
Ive been studying this 327 page thread for many days. Thank you all for this input, advice and years of history.
Goal of 'downsizing' from my LDS 15/6 cab, as we usually have house support. Im torn between the H1203 and the TC112.
My stress over this was solved when I was offered the chance to purchase a Hathor 1203T (tall 22in.) , basically bringing the low end almost up to the tc112. Maybe the first for the 1203T cab as I haven't seen much talk except the concept mentioned somewhere in the thread. Totally excited and unstressed now. After I play it I will have some foundation for which second cab to purchase. Obvious choices being another 1203T or a 1203 or a TC112. Appreciating Duke's attentiveness I, feel like I cant go wrong here. Thank you!
JC
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You really can't go wrong, each is just a different flavor of amazing. Look forward to hearing how you like your eventual choice.
Oh, nifty. I didn't know the 1203T was a thing. How much taller is it than the normal 1203?
standard 1203 is 18 inches, this 1203T will be 22 inches, same as the TC112 I believe.
I meant to ask this in a PM, but I figured others may benefit from me asking a dumb question. For you Hathor owners, but especially to Duke:
Are the input jacks combination Speakon that accept a 1/4 connector? If not, is it possible to swap out? I use a few micro amps with no speakon connection and adaptors suck.
For the top ports, is there any screen that prevents, well, stuff from entering the chamber? I’m kinda worried about what happens when a pick gets dropped or my two year old turns a speaker into a piggy bank.
Are the input jacks combination Speakon that accept a 1/4 connector? If not, is it possible to swap out? I use a few micro amps with no speakon connection and adaptors suck.
For the top ports, is there any screen that prevents, well, stuff from entering the chamber? I’m kinda worried about what happens when a pick gets dropped or my two year old turns a speaker into a piggy bank.
Yes they are speakons that accept 1/4 inch. Or duke can certainly included those in your order.
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Yup! The Changeling 112T paved the way for the Hathor 1203T.
Yup!
Anything I've ever dropped in has been easy to retrieve. Tip the cab on its side and gravity will at least slide it to the edge where you can get to it. Worst-case scenario, the process might require a second lift-the-bottom-of-the-cab-so-it-falls-out step.
If it's something ferrous, the mid's magnet will hold it for you until you can retrieve it.
This has been my experience as the father of young kids. Lots of stuff wound up in those ports (and was easily removed) until I started aligning my amp with the front of the cab to block the holes.
I've found the best thing to do is to get a good quality 12' 1/4" speaker cable and cut it in half. Put (GENUINE) Speakon connectors on the naked ends (they're like $4 each) and you have two nice 1/4-Speakon cables. Adding Speakon ends is much easier than trying to solder 1/4" ends, and keeps you from dealing with those adapters.
Upwards, probably, but it doesn't really matter when I play at home. The sides ports are still open, but those don't seem to be as enticing to probing toddlers.
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Yes, but as long as there is some airspace between the top of the openings and the bottom of the amp, you still get some dispersion in the vertical direction. For example, if you hold a book in front of your face with just a little bit of clearance and talk, you can still be understood, just not as easily.
