im interested in this cab on a pole or stand too. im using a pa speaker recently because it retains more low end when off the floor than my bass cabs do. every time i put a bass cab off the floor it sounds terrible. will this speaker sound good if not coupled with the floor?
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Double Bass AudioKinesis Thunderchild 112 cab
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Steve,
Buried in Dukes post about the cabinet on page three of this thread was his answer to the pole mount option. Here's what he said. "I'm not sure. The problem is this: The crossover board covers the bottom of the cabinet, and I'd have to split the crossover board in two in order to make room for the tophat. That is easier said than done. If you are really interested let me know, and I'll look into it more closely." So with the current design of the Thunderchild 112 that's not and option. You could contact him and see what he thinks. He's a great guy to talk to and he responds to messages.
Ric
thanks,
i did read that but it doesnt really answer my question... i know that its not entirely possible to install a pole mount on this cab the way it is now, but my question is will it even sound good off the floor? for example, on an amp stand or chair? i dont even want to think about modifying a cab for a pole mount until i know that it will sound good not coupled with the floor. the experience i have with my own bass cabinets is that they dont sound good off the floor, so im asking for opinions from people who own one, will it sound good not coupled with the floor? will it lose the low end?
i did read that but it doesnt really answer my question... i know that its not entirely possible to install a pole mount on this cab the way it is now, but my question is will it even sound good off the floor? for example, on an amp stand or chair? i dont even want to think about modifying a cab for a pole mount until i know that it will sound good not coupled with the floor. the experience i have with my own bass cabinets is that they dont sound good off the floor, so im asking for opinions from people who own one, will it sound good not coupled with the floor? will it lose the low end?
I believe someone (Passinwind) provided a link to a pole mount with a design that is totally external to the cab. You might want to PM him about it.
Regarding low end response when raised high off the floor, any cab will sound a bit thinner and more midrangey due to the directional mids being closer to ear level, and also acoustical coupling issues (once you get the cab up that high).
However, IMO, the Thunderchild will have less of an issue with this than most other cabs. This is due (IMO and IME) to a couple of things:
1) The super duper woofer with all that xmax and mechanical 'power', so you can dial in a little more low end without the cab farting and dying like most small cabs
2) The VERY even midrange response through the upper mids results in MUCH less honk than most other cabs, which means it won't sound quite as unbalanced in the upper midrange, even when raised off the ground a number of feet.
So, I think this might be a good choice for you. The Acme cabs are another execution that behaves quite nicly up on pole mounts, even in bass heavy contexts.
IMO!
Marcus,
Choice of names aside the cabinet IMHO lives up to the name. I think Duke's choice of monikers for his speaker kind of reflects his sense of humor.
Ric
thanks for the response. ive noticed that PA speakers work will in this regard too. do you think the thunder will work as well as a PA speaker would when elevated?
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Thanks for responding, Ric and Ken. And I had never quite noticed that subliminal theme before, Marcus...
I think the Acmes, suggested by KJung, would work better than my 112 cab in a pole-mount application. Regardless of what cab you use, expect to lose between 3 and 6 dB of effective bass output by raising the cab up onto a pole.
So if at all possible, I recommend a compact pole-mount PA main and a little floor-sitting sub. A single decent 10" sub on the floor will put out more bass than a 12" cab up on a pole, even mine with the super duper. Sorry I can't make any specific recommendations of little PA rigs - I don't know what's out there in that realm. But I just think my cab would be the wrong tool for the job.
I think the Acmes, suggested by KJung, would work better than my 112 cab in a pole-mount application. Regardless of what cab you use, expect to lose between 3 and 6 dB of effective bass output by raising the cab up onto a pole.
So if at all possible, I recommend a compact pole-mount PA main and a little floor-sitting sub. A single decent 10" sub on the floor will put out more bass than a 12" cab up on a pole, even mine with the super duper. Sorry I can't make any specific recommendations of little PA rigs - I don't know what's out there in that realm. But I just think my cab would be the wrong tool for the job.
Wow port lugs I never knew you could use them, I never even saw em before! Can you use them on the Berg AE212. IMHO I don't think I would need those on the Berg it's probably not recommended either. BTW a beautiful cab.
Here's a picture of the port plugs, which tighten up the low end.
Now this opens a whole new can of worms. We need a splittable 112 cab with a woofer and horn that is under 40 lbs., has a telescoping pole mount, and latches to keep it together as a single cab or allow it to be split with a woofer on the floor and horn in the air.
Genstormbringer,
Duke designed the cabinet to work with the ports or as a sealed box with the plugs in place. I think it's unique in that aspect.
Ric
nah, not for me. i always use a high pass filter with the double bass anyway, its just that putting one on my bass cabs off the floor cuts way too much bass. putting the pa speaker up top seems to be just the right amount of bass cut and still lets it sound full to me. if i really want more lows i can bring a combo (AI) and put it on the floor and take the signal out of my walter woods and put it into the combo to use as a woofer, but that's already carrying way too much stuff...
Now this opens a whole new can of worms. We need a splittable 112 cab with a woofer and horn that is under 40 lbs., has a telescoping pole mount, and latches to keep it together as a single cab or allow it to be split with a woofer on the floor and horn in the air.
Now this opens a whole new can of worms. We need a splittable 112 cab with a woofer and horn that is under 40 lbs., has a telescoping pole mount, and latches to keep it together as a single cab or allow it to be split with a woofer on the floor and horn in the air.
Splitnick,
I'm pretty sure that Don at Low Down Sound built a setup like that for someone, but it's not on his site anymore. Of course that's the concept that Schertler used for the Pub 2/208 system with the Pub 180 sub for the floor, but it's expensive and that little Pub 280 weighs in at 44 lbs because it's got the power amp in the cabinet. Although I like the concept I'm not sure that lug all that stuff around when the EA VL 208's and Duke's TC sound pretty darn good just sitting on the floor. Just my opinion though.
Ric
The pub system seems a bit more than what I was thinking. But I really don't have any expert knowledge on the subject, just throwing out an idea I thought might be novel. I was really thinking Duke's system just with a split box. Probably would change too much of the sound and might mess up porting volume and all that good stuff.
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Just splitting my cab would give poor results because the vertical spacing between woofer and horn at the crossover frequency would be many wavelengths, and that causes severe lobing in the vertical plane. This is an acoustic-domain problem which cannot be fixed with EQ. I wouldn't want that crossover frequency any higher than 200 Hz, so we're back to a two-way-plus-sub solution, which is basically a mini-PA system.
Now this opens a whole new can of worms. We need a splittable 112 cab with a woofer and horn that is under 40 lbs., has a telescoping pole mount, and latches to keep it together as a single cab or allow it to be split with a woofer on the floor and horn in the air.
such things exist in the PA world, but not quite to your specifications.
SplitNick,
I just watched Larry Grenadier play with Brad Mehldau a couple of weeks ago. He uses a Mackie P.A. speaker and it's right at his ear level or a little below. Sounded wonderful, but then he's using a Schoeps MK41 mike and some kind of preamp. I'm not sure that I want a speaker blasting directly into my ears. But that's my personal preference.
Ric
I'd need to sell more gear to get a Schoeps.
Awesome that you got to see them. I have been really digging Trio 3 and 5 lately.
I'd love to try the Thunderchild, but I just sold my Superflightcase, purchased a downgraded cab and the Ehrlund and Rev Solo II.
There is so much great gear out there to try. One day at a time.
Awesome that you got to see them. I have been really digging Trio 3 and 5 lately.
I'd love to try the Thunderchild, but I just sold my Superflightcase, purchased a downgraded cab and the Ehrlund and Rev Solo II.
There is so much great gear out there to try. One day at a time.
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