autotune..... when will it end?

[Oric]

I want to use autotune on my fretless!

 

[pacojas]

Im on a boat is the best Autotune to date.

+1

 

[sonic assassin]

the christcore/crabcore genre is growing trite and pathetic. i started a thread chastising attack attack a few weeks ago. fairly entertaining to watch people tear into them.

in hip hop.. well.. who cares? i dont listen to it on the regular. jay z declared it dead. it wont last another year.

 

[coreyfyfe]

It will end when marketable singers start learning to sing, or vice versa, when competent singers begin to look good/market well.

 

[jugglingfreak]

Interesting article that coincides with the discussion:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/01/29/milli-vanilli-fab-morvan-grammy/

Fab Morvan from Milli Vanilli. Interesting article.

The main part that pertains to this discussion is how whats happening now with autotune isn't much different than what they did. It's auto-tuned so much that they can't reproduce it live and are forced to lipsync.

So can it really be considered them singing anymore.

 

[over_the_moon]

Im on a boat is the best Autotune to date.

No, this:

 

[rebelscum]

My vocalist, who has alot of talent played around with this and came up with some incredibly laughable stuff, since he was doing this to parady his self. I will try to get some clips up soon.

 

[tobo]

autotune is quite possibly the worst thing to happen to music..

 

[Ubersheist]

the christcore/crabcore genre is growing trite and pathetic. i started a thread chastising attack attack a few weeks ago. fairly entertaining to watch people tear into them.

in hip hop.. well.. who cares? i dont listen to it on the regular. jay z declared it dead. it wont last another year.

It will end when marketable singers start learning to sing, or vice versa, when competent singers begin to look good/market well.

Nah... Autotune is here to stay, or at least some other form of it. The standards for recording are so high that it'll always be used to fix slightly off key singing and instrument performances. Some producers even tune drums with Autotune. I suggest either embracing the technology, 'cause it's not going anywhere. Dismissing it only gives the rest of the musical world more ability to pass you by.

autotune is quite possibly the worst thing to happen to music..

hardly. MTV was far worse. All of the sudden, good looks became even more important in general then actual talent. Now, they had to produce slick videos, which is one more thing to detract from actual music.

Btw,in the 1960s, people argued with the same issues when multi-track recording became available (easy way for talentless people to make a musical buck, not a true representation of real, live abilities, etc.).

Just like it has before , crappy music sung by pretty people will sell really well and make producers a fast buck, and real talent will still provide long careers for those who have it. As far as I can tell, that's been the way the music industry has funtioned ever since television was cheap enough to get into most American homes, and I don't see Autotune changing that in the slightest.

 

[omnimutant]

From a Musicians point of view all kinds of things Kill music. From an entertainment point of view...well it's all just entertainment. MTV was entertaining (till it stopped being about music all together). People loved it. That's the point. Bands that no one had ever heard of got massive exposure due to MTV so you can't bash them completely. Look at Nirvana, the Birth of the Buzz Clip in the early 90's. Without MTV the "Grunge" thing would have never got as big as it did, and the many variations of Hard Core/Metal and rap would have never happened. Big events like Lalapalozza never would have stayed a dream. As much as I Hated MTV, you got to give them credit for getting a lot of new genres a lot of exposure to the masses. Now we have the internet and MTV doesn't play music anymore so it's irrelevant.

Just remember that no matter how elitist you get as a musician, (and I tend too a lot) in the end we are just entertainers. There is no great earth shattering thing that's going to come out of music. Music is not going to cure aids, or cancer. Music is not going to take man to another galaxy in search of new life. It's just entertainment that's good for the soul.

 

[sonic assassin]

Nah... Autotune is here to stay, or at least some other form of it. The standards for recording are so high that it'll always be used to fix slightly off key singing and instrument performances. Some producers even tune drums with Autotune. I suggest either embracing the technology, 'cause it's not going anywhere. Dismissing it only gives the rest of the musical world more ability to pass you by.

i meant the t-pain style over tuning. i know regular pitch correction is the new standard. as sick as it makes me that we're killing even MORE dynamic in music.. i just have to deal.

 

[David Pinton]

On the other hand where's autotune when you need it?

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[bassist343]

I have EVO and find it has the best algorithms you can get. If used tastefully you can seamlessly correct pitch with minimal artifacts but I agree, if it's overused to the point where you hear the note bumps, it sucks. I occasionally use autotune EVO on my Saturn 67 Bass, (which I love BTW), to lock in intonation when I play up the neck a bit. It takes some punch out at times on a big stretch. You have to use it carefully. I have been a recording engineer for 40 years now and just got on to this forum. Hope this helps.

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That is good use of it, hip hop and rap artists don't have talent so they use it so they don't sound like ****.

 

[fdeck]

In my view, if I can't hear it, then it isn't there. Lots of stuff gets done to recordings. My dad convinced me of this. He has a record of a wonderful performance, except that the soloist misses the "money note" by just a bit. It's OK if you listen to it once, but more than once, it begins to stick out like a sore thumb. There are some rock hits that are like that too.

OTOH if I can hear it, then it's a matter of time before it becomes dated and cheesy.

For my own use, I think it would get in my way. I don't need it: My gigs are not that high profile, and I rarely set foot in a studio. My playing is an interconnected web of learning, practicing, playing for fun, gigging, experimenting, and so forth. I play non-fretted instruments. Intonation is closely linked to technique, and when I concentrate on intonation, my technique improves. I also enjoy the element of risk involved in performing live and taking the chance that I will make a mistake.

All of this is strictly related to my own enjoyment of playing. What a pop star does in the studio is their business. And if it's cheesy, I change the station.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

That is good use of it, hip hop and rap artists don't have talent so they use it so they don't sound like ****.

Yeah, and rock musicians play loud because they don't know how to play their instruments...

Welcome to the "angry old man who doesn't know what he's talking about" club

 

[ugly_bassplayer]

That is good use of it, hip hop and rap artists don't have talent so they use it so they don't sound like ****.

You actually think that is real hiphop.


Welcome to the "angry old man who doesn't know what he's talking about" club as Mr Tyler said.

What he said.

 

[unbridled]

Anyone just catch the first song on America Idol? Sixteen people, all with autotune...

 

[Metaltronix]

Auto tune the news is funny.

 

[michaelgilleran]

You know, just about EVERYONE uses autotune when they sing nowadays. Although, its not the cheezy robotic autotune your used to. In fact, you probably cant even tell the difference. Autotune is used across the board for minor pitch correction. I know a very well respected jazz saxaphonist who played a few pitchy notes and wanted to go back to fix them. The engineer said it would be easier to autotune them, and it was.

So autotune isnt all bad really.

Next time you bash singers; just remember this: No one sings into a dry mic. No one

 

[Govier966]

Its coming to an end, t-pain is now making his money of an autotune ipod app. and all the artists that do use it are being accused of lacking talent. I assure you all the next effect artists use to sound good will be even more obnoxious.