Avatar Owners Club Pt. 2

[NickInMesa]

I've got to agree with you, on that one. I remember reading up that you used to have one, and sold it for the 6.0. That was you... right? I'm thinking I'm just going to start bypassing the EQ on the Tour 700 and just use my basses EQ.

I asked a few people here what head they used and the 6.0 came often and I don't regret switching.

The tube pre-amp is really a good feature, the tone shape switches as well and the 4 knob EQ is good enough.

The Tour 700 is a big heavy beast and has a lot of options to sound big and fat, I guess for a metal pick player it would be a great option, but Genz Benz makes better amps than the solid state Peavey Tours.

They also sound a lot better through the Avatar cabs, IMHO.

 

[dukeisdog]

I asked a few people here what head they used and the 6.0 came often and I don't regret switching.

The tube pre-amp is really a good feature, the tone shape switches as well and the 4 knob EQ is good enough.

The Tour 700 is a big heavy beast and has a lot of options to sound big and fat, I guess for a metal pick player it would be a great option, but Genz Benz makes better amps than the solid state Peavey Tours.

They also sound a lot better through the Avatar cabs, IMHO.

That's exactly why I bought the Tour 700, honestly. I play in a hardcore band, mixed with a big metal influence, tuned down to drop C, and think the head sounds great. I originally walked into Mothers Music (kinda like Winnipeg's Guitar Center), and tried the 2X15 matching cab with the head. Switched to the 8X10, and down to the 410, all tour series cabs, and was really set on getting the Tour 700 with the matching 215, and offered $1200 for the rig, and they turned it down. I left kinda disappointed, as I only took the head home, and had no cab to play the head through, but boy, am I ever happy with my Avatar cab.

It was really worth the wait, saved me some cash, and to my ears, sounds better then the Tour cabs anyway. Shipping was really quick and not to pricey considering I'm in Canada.

I'm really going to have to give those shuttles a try. I'm completely broke being only 16, but once I get some cash I'd like to try out some higher end gear, and hear nothing but great things about the GB heads and cabs.

Can anyone post pics of their Avatar double cab setups? Mostly 2X12+2X12 or 2X12+2X10? I'm looking to get another cab once I get some more cash saved up, and am not sure if I really need another 212, but would like to see how that 210 looks sitting on top of the 212 just for reference.

Thanks!!

 

[musicman7722]

I use 2 2x10's stacked vertically powered by a Carvin BX500 and I really like it. i play in your standard top40 - classic rock band.

 

[NickInMesa]

I am trying to determine if the Avatar he is selling is an 8 ohm (or a 4 ohm):

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I need an 8 ohm, as it is what I already have. I was thinking about a 212 on top of (or under) the 410, but 2 x 410 can only be deliciously loud and boomy.

The sticker in the back is gone. Is there something I can use to determine what he has?

Maybe something with the head?

Thanks!

 

[Groovin_Joe]

Using a multimeter. It won't read exactly what the cab/speaker is but it will be close to what it is. Eg. If it reads from 3-5 that's 4. And 6-9 that's an eight. I don't remember the correct numbers but it isn't hard to do. There are several guys on here that can tell you. Or google it.

 

[Altitude]

I am trying to determine if the Avatar he is selling is an 8 ohm (or a 4 ohm):

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I need an 8 ohm, as it is what I already have. I was thinking about a 212 on top of (or under) the 410, but 2 x 410 can only be deliciously loud and boomy.

The sticker in the back is gone. Is there something I can use to determine what he has?

Maybe something with the head?

Thanks!

Nick, see if he'll let you remove the input plate. You will probably find some of the crossover components, and likely the potentiometer that controls the tweeter volume, stamped as 4 ohm or 8 ohm. You'll also be able to tell if his unit is new enough (~2006) to use Avatar's improved crossover - if there are lots of electronics there, it's the new one; if the crossover looks very simple, it's the old (very inferior) one.

 

[Groovin_Joe]

what If the crossover is stamped with 8 and the speakers are all 16ohm? Then that would make the cabinet 4ohms. Is it the wrong crossover? Cause mine is brand new last month and it has that. An 8 x-over and 4omh cab.

 

[NickInMesa]

Using a multimeter. It won't read exactly what the cab/speaker is but it will be close to what it is. Eg. If it reads from 3-5 that's 4. And 6-9 that's an eight. I don't remember the correct numbers but it isn't hard to do. There are several guys on here that can tell you. Or google it.

Well I asked him and he said he does not own one or know or to use it, which is typical.

I might have to open the trap door and see...

 

[Altitude]

what If the crossover is stamped with 8 and the speakers are all 16ohm? Then that would make the cabinet 4ohms. Is it the wrong crossover? Cause mine is brand new last month and it has that. An 8 x-over and 4omh cab.

Good point. I guess Nick would need to look at the crossover as well as the speakers to determine the overall ohm rating.

 

[Groovin_Joe]

Each speaker should have it stamped or printed on it somewhere. Only have to look at one. If it is 16 then it is 4 ohm. If it is 32 then it is 8 ohm. I would imagine it is 8. Most people use 8 ohm cabinets as you can build upon them easier.

 

[Jaco who?]

Well, if it's an 8Ω cab more than likely each driver is an 8Ω and they're wired with each pair in series and each series pair are in parallel. Since Avatar sells 4Ω 2x10s also, to keep fewer versions of the deltalite IIs (or whatever they are) around, they would use the same 8Ω drivers in parallel.

The crossover separates a common 8Ω tweeter from the the whole equation, so it wouldn't tell you much, unless you could find out from Dave what the values of each coil and cap is used in the crossover for each version, and you could actually read those values - good luck with that.

 

[THORRR]

I wasn't aware of the Avatar Owners Club - How does one join? My new rig is 2 Avatar B410 Neo cabs and the Markbass Littlemark 800 and it's KILLER. Like playing thru cannons!

I've nicknamed these cabs "The Guns of Navarrone"
They're tremendous. I warn people standing nearby to wear "body armor" so their ribs don't crack when I'm playing.

It's the best setup I've ever had and can handle all venues with ease. Bass players dream setup for sure. Whoo Hoo!

 

[FuzzBoxVoodoo]

Its rather simple to become a member of the "Avatar Club" just send me $25 and your in just like that.
Or you could just post pics of your rig.

I wasn't aware of the Avatar Owners Club - How does one join? My new rig is 2 Avatar B410 Neo cabs and the Markbass Littlemark 800 and it's KILLER. Like playing thru cannons!

I've nicknamed these cabs "The Guns of Navarrone"
They're tremendous. I warn people standing nearby to wear "body armor" so their ribs don't crack when I'm playing.

It's the best setup I've ever had and can handle all venues with ease. Bass players dream setup for sure. Whoo Hoo!

 

[NickInMesa]

Well, if it's an 8Ω cab more than likely each driver is an 8Ω and they're wired with each pair in series and each series pair are in parallel. Since Avatar sells 4Ω 2x10s also, to keep fewer versions of the deltalite IIs (or whatever they are) around, they would use the same 8Ω drivers in parallel.

The crossover separates a common 8Ω tweeter from the the whole equation, so it wouldn't tell you much, unless you could find out from Dave what the values of each coil and cap is used in the crossover for each version, and you could actually read those values - good luck with that.

He opened it and says it said "8 ohm" on the pot.

But what you're telling me is that it can always be rewired as an 8 ohm if it was 2 x 8 ohm in parallel? Not sure you can turn a 4 x 8 ohm into a 4 ohm.

He says he wants $300 for it. His has black carpet on. It seems in great condition.

What do you think?

By the way, what's the difference between the new and old modules in the back? How can I tell which is mine?

 

[Altitude]

He opened it and says it said "8 ohm" on the pot.

But what you're telling me is that it can always be rewired as an 8 ohm if it was 2 x 8 ohm in parallel? Not sure you can turn a 4 x 8 ohm into a 4 ohm.

He says he wants $300 for it. His has black carpet on. It seems in great condition.

What do you think?

By the way, what's the difference between the new and old modules in the back? How can I tell which is mine?

This is an old one:

It's a very simple hi-pass unit that removes low frequencies from the tweeter. It sends full range to the cone. The new ones have noticeably more circuitry, including some PC boards and, IIRC, manage the output to the cone as well as the tweeter.

Truth told, if you happen to be a tweeter hater, the old crossover may be more to your liking (and I'll sell you mine for next to nothing as it has sat in my basement for years). Or, Dave will sell you a new one for $60 or so if you need it.

 

[dukeisdog]

He opened it and says it said "8 ohm" on the pot.

But what you're telling me is that it can always be rewired as an 8 ohm if it was 2 x 8 ohm in parallel? Not sure you can turn a 4 x 8 ohm into a 4 ohm.

He says he wants $300 for it. His has black carpet on. It seems in great condition.

What do you think?

By the way, what's the difference between the new and old modules in the back? How can I tell which is mine?

Just a heads up, if you have pets that shed fur, don't get a carpet cab. I made that mistake, and my cab picks up dog hair like crazy. It's not hard to get off, just annoying that everytime you leave the house with it you have to vaccum it off.

 

[Jaco who?]

He opened it and says it said "8 ohm" on the pot.

But what you're telling me is that it can always be rewired as an 8 ohm if it was 2 x 8 ohm in parallel? Not sure you can turn a 4 x 8 ohm into a 4 ohm.

He says he wants $300 for it. His has black carpet on. It seems in great condition.

What do you think?

By the way, what's the difference between the new and old modules in the back? How can I tell which is mine?

No, I was just correcting groovin_joe about the 8Ω 4x10 versions having 32Ω drivers. They would be pairs of 8Ω drivers in series for 16Ω, and then divided in two to acheive 8Ωs. You are correct, you cannot turn four 8Ω drivers into a 4Ω cab - only 2Ωs with them all in parallel, 8Ωs with them in series parallel, or 32Ωs, (getting goofy here) with them all in series........

Seems like a decent enough deal. See if the Trace head he used has a 4Ω or an 8Ω tap, or, as grooving_joe said, get a multimeter and measure the DC resistance on the output. The L-pad is likely the same no matter what cab it's used on.

 

[Gecko 5]

I have a question for you Avatar nuts (I mean tghat in a good way. I'm a Lakland nut).
Has anyone here stacked a B210 Neo on top of a SB112 and bi-amped?
I am completely tired of my 82 lb Fender 400 Pro combo.

Appreciate any help.

 

[Altitude]

I have a question for you Avatar nuts (I mean tghat in a good way. I'm a Lakland nut).
Has anyone here stacked a B210 Neo on top of a SB112 and bi-amped?
I am completely tired of my 82 lb Fender 400 Pro combo.

Appreciate any help.

My current Avatar rig is, in fact, a 210 Neo on top of a 112 Neo. I don't bother to bi-amp them though, and I'm not sure it would deliver an obvious benefit over running both full range. Might be fun to try, though.

BTW, that rig sounds pretty good. I've run lots of different heads through it over the years. It sounded very good with an Ashdown MK500, stellar but not very loud with an iAmp 800, excellent with a Markbass LMII, not nearly as good with a Markbass F1, and perhaps best of all with a Genz Shuttle 9.

 

[bassmasta117]

can I have a number? recently got both cabs, and they sound wicked!

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