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#521
MX21 said:
I am this -> <- close to ordering some Avatars, but I'm torn about what the right combination would be. I'm thinking of ordering either a 210 and a 112 or a single 212. I play a 5-string and we tend to play a variety of different sized gigs - small cafe up to 500 seat theater and outdoor events. So I want to make it modular. Sometimes maybe a 112 would be sufficient, sometimes add the 210.

One question is: if I use the 210 and 112 together, am I basically limiting myself to 250 watts because of the 112 if I chain them? I have a 2 channel power amp, so I could run them on separate channels, but if I drive the 210 closer to 500 watts, will the 112 not be able to keep up and get lost? Maybe I should just go with a 212 and add a 210 later? How does a pair of 112s sound compared to a 212? Or maybe a pair of 210s. How well do they carry a low B?

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If you run through the PA on your larger and outdoor gigs then you should have no trouble with the 112, if not and you do a fair amount of them then I'd go with the 212. If you only do them rarely borrow or rent a bigger cab. My understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) is when chaining speakers you add the wattage rating then divide by the number of cabinets, so if your amp puts out 500W @ 4&#937; each cab will get 250W. If you play a lot of bigger gigs or you band plays very loud you may want to go with the 212, if not the 112 is a great cab and can be very bright if you want it to. I just added a Peavey 115 cab and will probably test out the combo of the 2 cabs tomorrow with the attenuator on the Avatar turned up a bit to see if I can get a dark thump with clarity combo going. I only play 4 string but I've heard both cabs will handle a low B well.
 
#522
I'm very interested in ordering a 4x10 & 2x12 setup from Avatar, but I'm a little gun shy without being able hear the 2x12 before hand.

So here's my question for those of you who have the 2x12 or even the 4x10/2x12 setup.

How is the 2x12 incomparison to the 4x10? More bottom, more mids? I've owned and played through an aguilar gs412 and gs212, musicman 2x12 with mid driver, gk neo 212, lds 212 with mid driver and one with out.

It was suggested to me if i wanted more bottom end to order 2 of the 4x10's, that kind of suprised me seeing as almost every 2x12 I've played sounded deeper than just about any 4x10 I've played.

Thanks,
Jeremy :help:
 
#523
The 2X12 has more bottom end, and the 4X10 is a little more balanced between boom and punch. Though I've found the 2x12 as an excellent standalone when needed. I have a 2X10 and 2X12, and usually prefer to have both on stage, but the 2X12 works brilliantly for smaller venues.

So for Jeremy: Between the 4X10 and 2X12, I'd recommend the 4X10. It's a little more well-rounded as a standalone. However, if you're thinking of getting a more modular setup, the 2X12 and 2X10 combo can't be beat. Oh, and NEO all the way. You won't regret it.

And for MX21: For your situation I'd totally go for the 2X12 as a standalone, especially if you need a low B. But, as said before, a modular setup works wonders for me, and if you can get two cabs, the 2X10 / 2X12 combo is top shelf.
 
#524
teedub said:
The 2X12 has more bottom end, and the 4X10 is a little more balanced between boom and punch. Though I've found the 2x12 as an excellent standalone when needed. I have a 2X10 and 2X12, and usually prefer to have both on stage, but the 2X12 works brilliantly for smaller venues.

So for Jeremy: Between the 4X10 and 2X12, I'd recommend the 4X10. It's a little more well-rounded as a standalone. However, if you're thinking of getting a more modular setup, the 2X12 and 2X10 combo can't be beat. Oh, and NEO all the way. You won't regret it.

And for MX21: For your situation I'd totally go for the 2X12 as a standalone, especially if you need a low B. But, as said before, a modular setup works wonders for me, and if you can get two cabs, the 2X10 / 2X12 combo is top shelf.
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Thanks for the input teedub. The 2x10 / 2x12 is what I'm leaning toward.

MX
 
#525
teedub said:
So for Jeremy: Between the 4X10 and 2X12, I'd recommend the 4X10. It's a little more well-rounded as a standalone. However, if you're thinking of getting a more modular setup, the 2X12 and 2X10 combo can't be beat. Oh, and NEO all the way. You won't regret it.
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Currently I'm running the musicman 2x12 and a warwick 411pro 4x10 cab. I'm digging the 2x12, but the tone from the 4x10 isn't doing it for me. My best tone(in my opinion) was when I was running my svt4-pro and my aguilar gs412. So more than likely I'll start by replacing the warwick 4x10 with an avatar 2x12 to run with my musicman, and if it's too much low end, replacing the musicman 2x12 with an avatar 4x10.
Thanks for the responce, the other thread I started asking for cab suggestions got a ton of views but not one reply.
 
#527
I have another low b question, I know its been discussed but I havent heard anything about how the 410 handles a low B. I want the 410 more than the 212 cuz I wanna get a carvin br1200, which (obviously) has 1200w @4ohms so I would be using the 410 to all its potential, but I dont want a farty B string sound though. I just wanna be loud!
 
#528
Time Consumer said:
I have another low b question, I know its been discussed but I havent heard anything about how the 410 handles a low B. I want the 410 more than the 212 cuz I wanna get a carvin br1200, which (obviously) has 1200w @4ohms so I would be using the 410 to all its potential, but I dont want a farty B string sound though. I just wanna be loud!
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if 1200 watts into the B410 neo produces a farty B string (assuming youre not EQing your 30hz boosted to the max...) I will be incredibly shocked.... thats quite a bit of headroom, into speakers that should certainly be able to handle your low b.

my b210 neo NEVER farts with my low B on my jazz V with a powerful 18v preamp.
 
#530
pgnbstrd said:
I'm very interested in ordering a 4x10 & 2x12 setup from Avatar, but I'm a little gun shy without being able hear the 2x12 before hand.
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I played my Ampeg V4b through my Avatar 212 for the first time live last night at your basic outdoor party in the country and it was raw! Really pounding, punching all night fun. That's about as technical as I can get.
 
#531
jsingles said:
if 1200 watts into the B410 neo produces a farty B string (assuming youre not EQing your 30hz boosted to the max...) I will be incredibly shocked.... thats quite a bit of headroom, into speakers that should certainly be able to handle your low b.

my b210 neo NEVER farts with my low B on my jazz V with a powerful 18v preamp.
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My thing is, you cant find anything stating the exact frequency response of these cabs, which is odd cuz every other company on the planet does present that kind of info on their cabs.
 
#533
Time Consumer said:
My thing is, you cant find anything stating the exact frequency response of these cabs, which is odd cuz every other company on the planet does present that kind of info on their cabs.
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my completely honest opinion here, is that you really shouldnt worry a whole ton about that.... don't buy a cabinet based upon its supposed frequency response, because even if a cab can supposedly produce sound down to 30hz, that DOES NOT mean its going to have booming lows....

as far as avatar goes, the response is excellent, and I would recommend you go for it! if you want a larger low end, go for the 12's

alot of the technical mumbo jumbo i think is probably exaggerated by these "other companies" in order to make their product sound more impressive. dont let it scare you out of buying an avatar. the reviews on TB are much more useful than any posted specs
 
#534
jsingles said:
my completely honest opinion here, is that you really shouldnt worry a whole ton about that.... don't buy a cabinet based upon its supposed frequency response, because even if a cab can supposedly produce sound down to 30hz, that DOES NOT mean its going to have booming lows....

as far as avatar goes, the response is excellent, and I would recommend you go for it! if you want a larger low end, go for the 12's

alot of the technical mumbo jumbo i think is probably exaggerated by these "other companies" in order to make their product sound more impressive. dont let it scare you out of buying an avatar. the reviews on TB are much more useful than any posted specs
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its all good, thanks, I was still teetering in my mind between the two. Maybe i'll get the 212 first and maybe add the 210 or 410 later, depending on my needs.
 
#535
Time Consumer said:
its all good, thanks, I was still teetering in my mind between the two. Maybe i'll get the 212 first and maybe add the 210 or 410 later, depending on my needs.
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good luck! I can't see either disappointing you, though they may be different. I was also worried about the 210 being able to handle my B string, but it handles it just as well as my 115 does, and together they sound wonderful.
 
#536
jsingles said:
good luck! I can't see either disappointing you, though they may be different. I was also worried about the 210 being able to handle my B string, but it handles it just as well as my 115 does, and together they sound wonderful.
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I've owned their Neo112, and currently have a new 410 for ale here. I have settled on 2 neo 210 stacked on stake. Wonderful sound and handles my Steinbergers ow B with ease.

And they are very full all around.

CP
 
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