If the F110 gets as loud as a good 210, then it would be adequate for gigs that can be covered by a good 210. Not sure how many watts the F110 would need to get as loud as a good 210. I've never heard a F110.
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BAD fEARless 110 - greenboy goes even smaller
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If the F110 gets as loud as a good 210, then it would be adequate for gigs that can be covered by a good 210. Not sure how many watts the F110 would need to get as loud as a good 210. I've never heard a F110.
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That Kappalite 3010LF has a sensitivity rating of 92.7 dB. Wouldn't that need a ton of power? Eminence website says "High sensitivity and vented pole piece for reduced power compression". How is 92.7 dB 'high sensitivity'? Am I missing something? By comparison, the 3015LF's sensitivity is 98.4 dB. Quite a difference. Especially when you consider that the high end of both the 10" and the 15" roll off at almost the same top end (1.5-1.6KHz).
the sensitivity difference is perhaps explained in part by measuring at the standard 1k - and the smaller woof has the nasty 1k peak displaced a bit higher than the 15... in real world use where the woof is low passed below that nasty peak you probably have less sensitivity gap the specs suggest
Not sure where you got that number... the datasheet says 99.8dB average over usable frequency range.
Perfect engineering
There's a lot more to it than just throwing speakers in a box
This is real science.
These designs are going to fit within eminence design parameters for the drivers. They are going to perform.
It looks like a lifetime cab. A design for the ages. Solid design.
This is going to be a big winner.
There's a lot more to it than just throwing speakers in a box
This is real science.
These designs are going to fit within eminence design parameters for the drivers. They are going to perform.
It looks like a lifetime cab. A design for the ages. Solid design.
This is going to be a big winner.
I would love to hear a F115 side by side with the F210 with the same amp. Say a Streamliner 900. I wonder if the 210 at 900 watts would keep up with the 15 at 500. I know the fearless line is designed to sound the same, but have a feeling the 10s would "feel" tighter in the lows.
Not necessarily, based on my experience. I haven't done a FEARLESS 15" vs 10" A/B comparison, but my F110 reacts differently to my Puma 2U Powersoft vs Puma 1U. The 1U tonal quality comes through as expected, nice and tight in the lows, while the 2U comes across as full, deep and wooly - if you dial in wooly
I'll very soon have my F210 and I expect it to be a monster, again just basing on my F110 experience, which performs like a super 210.
Looking forward to a review! The form factor of the F210 is awesome for the kilowatt micro heads out there. I am sure it will be very impressive.
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Seems lately, greenboy keeps shrinking the designs and they still sound like monsters. Pretty awesome stuff. We're building an F210 and very much look forward to testing it
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Not necessarily, based on my experience. I haven't done a FEARLESS 15" vs 10" A/B comparison, but my F110 reacts differently to my Puma 2U Powersoft vs Puma 1U. The 1U tonal quality comes through as expected, nice and tight in the lows, while the 2U comes across as full, deep and wooly - if you dial in wooly
I'll very soon have my F210 and I expect it to be a monster, again just basing on my F110 experience, which performs like a super 210.
Your description of tone differences with the amps sounds like my experience using Euphonic Audio iAMP Pro and Micro amps with "nEarful" LDS 15/6 and 12/6 cabs. With the Pro, the bass was wider and deeper while the Micro was tighter. Equally good, just different flavors. At the time I wondered if it was the wattage deltas that made the difference. I went with the Micro. They say the Fearless line has tighter, slightly less diffuse lows than the fEarful design. I guess part of that equation must include the amp's characteristics.
How many watts is it safe to pump into the F110?
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500-600 watts is in the ballpark. Eminence shows the 3010LF power handling to be 450, then add in the mid driver and there you go
Looking forward to it BAD... almost as much as another snow storm!
Its been BRUTAL around here
I have initial impressions on a Fearless 110 made by Joseph Hawley of jHAWK Customs. The build quality is excellent and as good or better than any cab I've owned.
I've played it for just a week but have not had a chance to play it in a band/gig context. So far I'm very impressed. Now that it's broken in, the tone is clear, rich and creamy - but distinctively tighter than my previous LDS 12/6 and 15/6 cabs. People have described low end tone on the "nEarful/fEarful" line as being somewhat bloaty. That's a negative way to put it, but there is a definite difference with the Fearless design - at least for this 110 cab. The tighter feel is more to my liking and will be perfect for jazz/pop. Perhaps the fEarful design is "better" for rock. It would be easier to EQ the Fearless to be more like a fEarful than vice versa. So far I'm finding the F110 sounds perfect without using my Fdeck HPF-Pre Series 3 (which is essential for my Crazy8 cabs).
The back of the F110 features an attenuator switch that dampens the mid-range driver. This may be the single most important feature of the F110 as it instantly provides two different voices for the cab. You may have used or read reviews of mid-forward cabs like the Bergantino AE210 or the Baer 112. I had an AE210v and loved it in a band/gig context, but not so much in my home studio where it was too aggressive and overwhelmed the room. Honestly, home is where I clock the most hours playing bass. So for me, it's critical that the cab sound equally good at home as at the gig. With the F110, I'm finding I prefer the mid driver dampened in my home studio, and bet the damper off will really drive this cab through the mix at a gig. The switch makes the F110 a chameleon, equally good in either context without having to mess around with EQ.
So far I prefer leaving the tweeter on full and controlling top end with my amp. This is a testament to the quality of the crossover, which provides a smooth, seamless presentation of all tonal frequencies.
Weight is about 31 pounds. I can't get over how compact this unit is. It will be a cinch to transport to-and-from gigs and will be ideal for the winery venues where I play jazz. The Crazy8 is more than enough cab for quiet acoustic settings, but I've always preferred having a bit more umph for electric and I'm doubling at every gig. It's not simply a matter of volume, the electric just sounds better with two or more drivers. And about volume: the F110 gets pretty loud, definitely as loud as a good 210 and maybe a super 12.
The performance is equally good with my Fender Aerodyne Jazz bass and Rob Allen Deep 4 fretless acoustic bass. I've been using an EA Micro, and ordered a TecAmp Puma 900 that should be here in about a week or so. I've read the Puma reviews and imagine it will pair well with the F110.
Overall, nothing but good things to say about this cab design. Congratulations to Dave "Greenboy" Green for another job well done, and to Joseph for manufacturing an amazing tone generator. It's the best of times for gigging bassists!
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I've played it for just a week but have not had a chance to play it in a band/gig context. So far I'm very impressed. Now that it's broken in, the tone is clear, rich and creamy - but distinctively tighter than my previous LDS 12/6 and 15/6 cabs. People have described low end tone on the "nEarful/fEarful" line as being somewhat bloaty. That's a negative way to put it, but there is a definite difference with the Fearless design - at least for this 110 cab. The tighter feel is more to my liking and will be perfect for jazz/pop. Perhaps the fEarful design is "better" for rock. It would be easier to EQ the Fearless to be more like a fEarful than vice versa. So far I'm finding the F110 sounds perfect without using my Fdeck HPF-Pre Series 3 (which is essential for my Crazy8 cabs).
The back of the F110 features an attenuator switch that dampens the mid-range driver. This may be the single most important feature of the F110 as it instantly provides two different voices for the cab. You may have used or read reviews of mid-forward cabs like the Bergantino AE210 or the Baer 112. I had an AE210v and loved it in a band/gig context, but not so much in my home studio where it was too aggressive and overwhelmed the room. Honestly, home is where I clock the most hours playing bass. So for me, it's critical that the cab sound equally good at home as at the gig. With the F110, I'm finding I prefer the mid driver dampened in my home studio, and bet the damper off will really drive this cab through the mix at a gig. The switch makes the F110 a chameleon, equally good in either context without having to mess around with EQ.
So far I prefer leaving the tweeter on full and controlling top end with my amp. This is a testament to the quality of the crossover, which provides a smooth, seamless presentation of all tonal frequencies.
Weight is about 31 pounds. I can't get over how compact this unit is. It will be a cinch to transport to-and-from gigs and will be ideal for the winery venues where I play jazz. The Crazy8 is more than enough cab for quiet acoustic settings, but I've always preferred having a bit more umph for electric and I'm doubling at every gig. It's not simply a matter of volume, the electric just sounds better with two or more drivers. And about volume: the F110 gets pretty loud, definitely as loud as a good 210 and maybe a super 12.
The performance is equally good with my Fender Aerodyne Jazz bass and Rob Allen Deep 4 fretless acoustic bass. I've been using an EA Micro, and ordered a TecAmp Puma 900 that should be here in about a week or so. I've read the Puma reviews and imagine it will pair well with the F110.
Overall, nothing but good things to say about this cab design. Congratulations to Dave "Greenboy" Green for another job well done, and to Joseph for manufacturing an amazing tone generator. It's the best of times for gigging bassists!
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Thanks for the pictures and the awesome review! jHawk builds are just crazy good...zoom way in...amazing craftsmanship.
Your review is pretty spot on with how I feel about the F112...haven't built an F110 yet...got a F210 in the works though, so very much looking forward to a F115/F210 shootout
Your review is pretty spot on with how I feel about the F112...haven't built an F110 yet...got a F210 in the works though, so very much looking forward to a F115/F210 shootout
Congrats on the cab, Dave. It is indeed a beauty. I had the same experience, with my F110 and Puma (which I know you'll soon have) I've stopped using my FDeck, pedals, etc. It just sounds so darn good "as is".
EDIT: You take way better pictures than I do.
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