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Baer Amplification Megathread!

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Britsie said:
Small question for Roger: is the DI also muted when you press the 'Mute' button?
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JimmyM said:
NOOOOO!!! All bass amp knobs must be at noon always, or you will be considered a moron. Especially when you're on a gig and the sound isn't right...you must keep knobs on noon and sit there and look at your rig dumbfounded instead of moving a knob. It's the law. :D
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It may be the law where you come from, Son, but around these parts we live by a different set of rules...:hiding:
 
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#3,123
In with ML112 & ML212 just ordered from Bass Direct UK. Neat service.
The rig will be completed with the Valkyrie when available in Europe later this year.

Thanks to all the folks here for the amazing gear reviews and in depth comparisons.
These are invaluable for me, as one in Switzerland wouldn't even be aware of such great gear: over here, the name "Baer" stands for a famous cheese maker, no kidding!
 
#3,124
Did two gigs this weekend. Last night was my first time with the Baer ML112 and my dance/cover/top40 band. We played at a place that has a house backline amp; Ampeg SVT IV head/Ampeg SVT410H Classic cab.

I don't care for the that amp or cab personally. So I took the Orange Bass Terror 500 and Baer ML112. Placed the ML112 on the floor, vertically oriented. FYI - there is FOH support with Subs and Pro JBL mains.

I got told to turn down during my first set (with Single Baer ML112/Orange BT 500) I was getting stage volume that I liked, but apparently the FOH Engineer wanted my sound coming from the mains/sub. He hobbled me to a volume where I struggled to hear myself on stage, But the monitors were crap and he couldn't give the singer any more gain on the monitors, So he suggested I turn down. Sigh. >..Then the drummer couldn't really hear me all that well ...neither could I.

Last song of the night I said to myself "F**k it". I pulled the DI Feed from my amp, turned up the Orange Bass Terror, walked half way out into the house for the last song.

Guess what? The single ML112 and my Amp sounded KILLER and would have carried the room! Granted, a lot of people had left, so maybe I would have wanted the ML112 pair (Stack). But at this club, they want ALL the control over the sound through the house system and I am not allowed to get enough punch to even deliver any punch to the dance floor in front of the stage. Oh well.

Bottom line, (lousy sound guy/house rules be damned), ...the Baer ML112 is a stunning single cab solution that give PLENTY of stage volume.

My "only" issue was not being able to hear myself at low levels with the volume of acoustic drums and electric guitarist into a 2x12 Bogner. I needed the speaker to be higher, or needed the second cab for my own local bass monitoring needs.

Then I did a small St.Patty's day show today with my Duo. Very intimate. The Baer ML112 was absolutely lovey in every way!
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#3,125
GRoberts said:
Last song of the night I said to myself "F**k it". I pulled the DI Feed from my amp, turned up the Orange Bass Terror, walked half way out into the house for the last song.

Guess what? The single ML112 and my Amp sounded KILLER and would have carried the room! Granted, a lot of people had left, so maybe I would have wanted the ML112 pair (Stack). But at this club, they want ALL the control over the sound through the house system and I am not allowed to get enough punch to even deliver any punch to the dance floor in front of the stage. Oh well.

Bottom line, (lousy sound guy/house rules be damned), ...the Baer ML112 is a stunning single cab solution that give PLENTY of stage volume.

My "only" issue was not being able to hear myself at low levels with the volume of acoustic drums and electric guitarist into a 2x12 Bogner. I needed the speaker to be higher, or needed the second cab for my own local bass monitoring needs.

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I would definitely look into picking up an amp wedge. It's light, easy to carry around,and has helped me on gigs where I had to stand right in front of my cab due to lack of stage depth and for those gigs where I had to play low. It allows you to angle the cab up I believe 20 deg or so and helps you to hear the cab better in those situations. It also helps with bass heavy stages as I stated in a previous post.

F'in sound engineers! I hate those dudes! Oh wait, I'm one of those dudes by day, but I always favor the bass player in the mix! ;) hehehe
 
#3,126
An amp wedge might have made all the difference. That particular room is one where we are always at the mercy of a sound engineer who is 'adequate' at best. Most other places we play with FOH support have wonderfully skilled sound engineers. Oh well. Still worth getting an amp wedge. Who makes them? Is that a Gramma Auralex product?

lastly, I still cannot emphasize how impressive the output is from the single ML112! Well done Roger!
 
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Gary,
how big was the room on your Saturday gig?

GRoberts said:
Did two gigs this weekend. Last night was my first time with the Baer ML112 and my dance/cover/top40 band. We played at a place that has a house backline amp; Ampeg SVT IV head/Ampeg SVT410H Classic cab.

I don't care for the that amp or cab personally. So I took the Orange Bass Terror 500 and Baer ML112. Placed the ML112 on the floor, vertically oriented. FYI - there is FOH support with Subs and Pro JBL mains.

I got told to turn down during my first set (with Single Baer ML112/Orange BT 500) I was getting stage volume that I liked, but apparently the FOH Engineer wanted my sound coming from the mains/sub. He hobbled me to a volume where I struggled to hear myself on stage, But the monitors were crap and he couldn't give the singer any more gain on the monitors, So he suggested I turn down. Sigh. >..Then the drummer couldn't really hear me all that well ...neither could I.

Last song of the night I said to myself "F**k it". I pulled the DI Feed from my amp, turned up the Orange Bass Terror, walked half way out into the house for the last song.

Guess what? The single ML112 and my Amp sounded KILLER and would have carried the room! Granted, a lot of people had left, so maybe I would have wanted the ML112 pair (Stack). But at this club, they want ALL the control over the sound through the house system and I am not allowed to get enough punch to even deliver any punch to the dance floor in front of the stage. Oh well.

Bottom line, (lousy sound guy/house rules be damned), ...the Baer ML112 is a stunning single cab solution that give PLENTY of stage volume.

My "only" issue was not being able to hear myself at low levels with the volume of acoustic drums and electric guitarist into a 2x12 Bogner. I needed the speaker to be higher, or needed the second cab for my own local bass monitoring needs.

Then I did a small St.Patty's day show today with my Duo. Very intimate. The Baer ML112 was absolutely lovey in every way!
NordyGroshBaerOrangeLouis_zpsf2bb93b9.jpg


EJGary03-17-13_zpsfb2cce19.jpg
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#3,135
electric wood said:
In with ML112 & ML212 just ordered from Bass Direct UK. Neat service.
The rig will be completed with the Valkyrie when available in Europe later this year.

Thanks to all the folks here for the amazing gear reviews and in depth comparisons.
These are invaluable for me, as one in Switzerland wouldn't even be aware of such great gear: over here, the name "Baer" stands for a famous cheese maker, no kidding!
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Hi there!

What part of Switzerland are you located in, and does your band gig here? I'd love to hear the Baers in person, not exactly easy to do here as you've found out.

I'm in Valais but spend a lot of time in LSNE and GE.
 
#3,136
One Drop said:
Hi there!

What part of Switzerland are you located in, and does your band gig here? I'd love to hear the Baers in person, not exactly easy to do here as you've found out.

I'm in Valais but spend a lot of time in LSNE and GE.
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Hi One Drop,

I live around Lausanne and my main gig is "ALOAN", based in Geneva: Invalid Link Removed

Since we've played a fair amount of places across the country recently, and Switzerland's area being 10x smaller than California, we'd rather be wandering in France in the near future. We hope to get some Swiss festivals in the Summer though.
 
#3,139
R Baer said:
I find the most noticeable difference when using two cabs and not a single on it's own. With two cabs, stacking horizontal gets both woofers closer together, and closer to the floor. Stacked vertically, the the woofers are further apart, the mids are further apart and the top cab is now up high enough that the floor coupling effect is reduced. Still, it's more subtle than dramatic, but I do find the horizontal stack to sound a little fuller on the low end. Stacking vertical gets that top mid much closer to head height, so that works great on a small stage where you are up close to the cab and personal monitoring is important.
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A horizontal positioned cab stacked vertical with a mirror image cab lets the mids stay as close as possible, and keeps the top woofer close enough to the bottom woofer. Given that, when stacked vertically, the top woofer couples to the bottom woofer, which is coupled to the floor. This will get you better horizontal dispersion in the audience. If you positioned two cabs side by side and went into the crowd, I'll bet you would find reduced dispersion. Typically, it's just the frequencies 150 Hz and below that our ears can't tell direction from, but there's still a lot of content from the woofers above 150Hz that do benefit from wide dispersion.

Having a mid closer to the bassist's ears is nice, but not absolutely necessary. I would think having the option of mirror image cabs would supercede that, as it's critical to keep the mids close together so they couple as well. Having the mids spaced too far apart usually results in beaming, cancellation areas, etc.



YMMV :cool:
 

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