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Baer Amplification Megathread!

#3,502
R Baer said:
I always thought that progressive rock bands in the 70's elevated "Rock and Roll" to it's natural progression, if you will. Bands like Rush, Yes, Kansas, Genesis, ELP, etc... took simpler rock to the next level with more elaborate compositions and musicianship. Much to my surpass, it just kind of ended there. So sad, that, IMO, rock never went beyond that point!
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Dream Theater (but I get tired of their lead singer fairly quickly).
 
#3,503
maisbass said:
Nostatic I highly respect your opinions here on TB and also respect your playing from the clips you have posted, but I have to disagree with you on this one.

I think there is a place for all types of music and I always try to keep and open mind and embrace it all if I can. For me, it's not about the style of music per se, it's about does the artist make me believe and feel what they are trying to express. I think bands like YES and RUSH were iconic and were very deep lyrically and musically. Can you compare it to the harmonic structure of "My Funny Valentine", definitely not. The old standards for me are amazing compositions from the musicianship to the chord structure and melody, but so are some of the prog rock bands in their own right. I think all these styles spawn other styles and varieties of music, but I do agree that sometimes it can go too far. For instance a band like Dream Theatre is way over the top. I do respect that they are tremendous musicians, but the songs (with the exception of maybe their first album when they had Kevin on keys) don't tell stories (for me at least) like YES and RUSH did.

I think it would be hard to convince musicians that Neal Peart can't rock.

With that being said, if I had to pick a drummer for my band, I would pick Dennis Chambers over Neal Peart any day of the week.
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For the record I love ELP (saw Keith Emerson live a few years ago and saw the Emerson/Lake thing a few years back) and have listened to a ton of Yes, Rush, King Crimson, etc. There certainly is a place for it, and I've spent my money on it and continue to listen to some of that. But a fair amount of later prog and fusion (imho) just isn't particularly listenable to me. Mostly because it "evolved" into great players essentially asking each other, "how complicated can we make this song?" To me that then turns it into a math problem and it swings far away from what I seek in music. Instead it is, "hey check out how many notes I can play while the rhythm section alternates between 13/8 and 7/8."

Certainly something for everyone and I have a pretty eclectic collection. But when it becomes technical for the sake of being technical I check out. As always, ymmv. And of course I also play in a Steely Dan tribute band, and many consider them to be soul-less so clearly opinions differ :D
 
#3,504
nostatic said:
For the record I love ELP (saw Keith Emerson live a few years ago and saw the Emerson/Lake thing a few years back) and have listened to a ton of Yes, Rush, King Crimson, etc. There certainly is a place for it, and I've spent my money on it and continue to listen to some of that. But a fair amount of later prog and fusion (imho) just isn't particularly listenable to me. Mostly because it "evolved" into great players essentially asking each other, "how complicated can we make this song?" To me that then turns it into a math problem and it swings far away from what I seek in music. Instead it is, "hey check out how many notes I can play while the rhythm section alternates between 13/8 and 7/8."

Certainly something for everyone and I have a pretty eclectic collection. But when it becomes technical for the sake of being technical I check out. As always, ymmv. And of course I also play in a Steely Dan tribute band, and many consider them to be soul-less so clearly opinions differ :D
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First off let me say I am soooo jealous that you get to play in a Steely Dan Cover band. That has to be a blast! Steely Dan soul-less??? Wow! That is crazy!!

So yes, I agree with you that some of the newer prog rock bands and shredders totally fit what you're describing and I can't hang with it either or maybe I'm just getting too old to comprehend it! LOl! In fact one of my heroes, Dennis Chambers, put an album out with Billy Sheehan and Derek Sheridian a while ago. It was 32 note overload! I was so disappointed but what can you really expect from that lineup.

So yes I totally agree.. Technique for technique sake to me is sterile and boring. If the music doesn't have any feel or emotion attached, I check out. I'll take a one note bend from BB King any day over how many notes I can shred in a measure!
 
#3,505
maisbass said:
First off let me say I am soooo jealous that you get to play in a Steely Dan Cover band. That has to be a blast! Steely Dan soul-less??? Wow! That is crazy!!
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TOTALLY Agree! Steely Dan music is full of Soul and all things musical!
maisbass said:
So yes, I agree with you that some of the newer prog rock bands and shredders totally fit what you're describing and I can't hang with it either or maybe I'm just getting too old to comprehend it! LOl! In fact one of my heroes, Dennis Chambers, put an album out with Billy Sheehan and Derek Sheridian a while ago. It was 32 note overload! I was so disappointed but what can you really expect from that lineup.
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I favor groove and soul over chops fest fantastico. I remember watching John Mclaughlin once and after two songs, the chops hurt my head, ...and I thought to myself, I'd rather hear Larry Carlton or Robben Ford or Carlos Santana sustain a whole note sooo sweetly that I can 'feel' the passion and soul pouring from the musicians heart.

To me, there is music that amazing, but more 'intellectually impressive'. I gravitate to the stuff that touches my heart & soul.

maisbass said:
So yes I totally agree.. Technique for technique sake to me is sterile and boring. If the music doesn't have any feel or emotion attached, I check out. I'll take a one note bend from BB King any day over how many notes I can shred in a measure!
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Again, +1!!!
 
#3,510
There's so much great music out there being made right now, stuff that rocks, grooves, swings...everything. Tons and tons of incredible players, great songwriters, and new sounds, and it's easier for these great bands and great players and great songwriters to get their music to a large audience than ever before. This is an *awesome* time for music and you don't even have to look that far past the mainstream to get it.

It just probably doesn't sound like Rush - and that's good! Only Rush should sound like Rush.
 
#3,511
Here's the ML112 in action in a small bar setting: . (A little spanish rock for you all. Oh and we are competing with the Laker game) I'm playing a Fender Geddy Lee into a GB Streamliner and then the ML112. I am really digging just how much thump yet clean sound this cab produces.
 
#3,512
Anyone experiencing this? I happened to notice some hiss coming from my 6" driver. I am not boosting any highs at all, in fact I tend to cut them with my tone control. I am using it with a puma 900 I just purchased. I don't seem to recall hearing this with my old setup. Thanks.
 
#3,513
maisbass said:
Anyone experiencing this? I happened to notice some hiss coming from my 6" driver. I am not boosting any highs at all, in fact I tend to cut them with my tone control. I am using it with a puma 900 I just purchased. I don't seem to recall hearing this with my old setup. Thanks.
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Not me. All is quiet. But roll off the passive tone control on my Nordy about 40%, and that gives a nice balanced sound to my ears.
 
#3,514
maisbass said:
Anyone experiencing this? I happened to notice some hiss coming from my 6" driver. I am not boosting any highs at all, in fact I tend to cut them with my tone control. I am using it with a puma 900 I just purchased. I don't seem to recall hearing this with my old setup. Thanks.
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I bet the hiss is coming from the Puma 900. To make sure, play the Puma with headphones only.

I'm having the same noise issues. Returning my Puma to Germany for service/repair.
 
#3,517
maisbass said:
Ug. Say it ain't so. This is Brand spankin new right from germany. Lol. I will check it out. Well I guess it's easier to ship the puma than an ml112!
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A cabinet can only reproduce what is being put into it. Cabinets don't hiss. In my experience, the Puma amps are quite quiet. If you are hearing any more than a relatively slight background hiss (literally whisper quiet), then something is wrong with the unit. If it is brand new, your retailer will most likely just send you a new one. Of course, make sure it isn't coming from something else in your signal chain. The Puma will nicely reproduce anything that is put into it also, like a hissy pedal or on-board preamp.
 
#3,518
KJung said:
A cabinet can only reproduce what is being put into it. Cabinets don't hiss. In my experience, the Puma amps are quite quiet. If you are hearing any more than a relatively slight background hiss (literally whisper quiet), then something is wrong with the unit. If it is brand new, your retailer will most likely just send you a new one. Of course, make sure it isn't coming from something else in your signal chain. The Puma will nicely reproduce anything that is put into it also, like a hissy pedal or on-board preamp.
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Thanks for the feedback. I've had components in crossovers start to fail and cause noise in the circuit in the past.... That is why I was asking. Unfortunately what I am hearing is not whisper quiet. :( . I love this amp and it sounds amazing through the Baer ML112. I love the mid range burp and punch this amp shells out but still has a very warm sound and feel to it. It really is an excellent match for the Baer.

I have to admit this is the first time in a long time I am completely gas-less and I am still waiting on the arrival of my Monique. I'm actually a little worried now because the Puma sounds so good I'm almost wondering if I really need the Monique. I'm sure that will all change when I plug into it and feel the tube response, but I am quite ecstatic right now with my setup.

That is why I'm so bummed about having to ship the Puma back. I don't want to lose it for a gig! Lol!

I'm going to put it through a bunch of tests later just to be sure it is the amp, and not anything else.

Thanks.
 
#3,519
maisbass said:
Thanks for the feedback. I've had components in crossovers start to fail and cause noise in the circuit in the past.... That is why I was asking. Unfortunately what I am hearing is not whisper quiet. :( . I love this amp and it sounds amazing through the Baer ML112. I love the mid range burp and punch this amp shells out but still has a very warm sound and feel to it. It really is an excellent match for the Baer.

I have to admit this is the first time in a long time I am completely gas-less and I am still waiting on the arrival of my Monique. I'm actually a little worried now because the Puma sounds so good I'm almost wondering if I really need the Monique. I'm sure that will all change when I plug into it and feel the tube response, but I am quite ecstatic right now with my setup.

That is why I'm so bummed about having to ship the Puma back. I don't want to lose it for a gig! Lol!

I'm going to put it through a bunch of tests later just to be sure it is the amp, and not anything else.

Thanks.
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I am delighted to hear how well the Puma 900 and Baer cab sounds. Very encouraging.
 

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