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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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I received the 1st, of 2, Baer ML-112s today (2nd one due Friday) and powered it with my Markbass TTE500... wow! Very niceThen, I plugged a second cab - a Gries Neo 112 prototype (no tweeter) and WOW! I can't wait for Friday
to hear the full stack.
My very first amp was a 63 white Fender Bassman, back in '64. This isn't your Grandpa's 2 x 12! Did I say WOW!?I'm finding now, that I'm preferring the sound of my passive basses best (or active basses in passive mode) - at least in my practice room... hmm. I'll be playing the 'stack' at church next week, so it will be interesting to see what our sound guy, and the rest of the team thinks.
Glad you are liking the cab. Just wait till you have some hours on it and the drivers are properly broke in. I find it takes about 6 hours or so at medium volumes for these to really open up. The other cab should be there shortly. I know you hadn't heard much about us before, so we really appreciate you giving us a shot at your business!
I find that I can do a lot of medium volume rock gigs with just one ML112 (they tend to be small rooms) but it just sounds better with 2 of them
I agree, when I first got my pair, I primarily used just one for the convenience. It sounded great, but lately, I just prefer the pair. Fuller and gooder.
They're so light, one extra trip is worth it. Although, I still run across gigs where one will do the job with no problem.
A sound tech at a local casino we play, raves about how good the ML112 sounds and can't believe that much sound comes out of one cab.
There's something about the sound of dual cab's that I generally prefer. It's not always about the volume, but it is about the increased fullness in the tone. When I hear that, it makes me play better, and that helps me sound better too.
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Even at the same volume, the two cab setup presents a fuller sounding low end due to the coupling effect between the two woofers and the floor. Of course, you can also vary this depending on whether you use a horizontal stack for more low end coupling, or a vertical stack that has less low end coupling and better upper mid monitoring. Just the choice of stacking gives you quite a bit of control over your sound on stage. Besides the fuller low end, I also find that there is a better three dimensionality to your sound on stage with a two cab setup. That is to say, the sound seems to envelope the stage a bit more and not sound like it is coming from a single source point as much as it does with a single cab.
And of course, the two cab setup allows you a lot of extra headroom. I always hate showing up to a gig that you thought a single cab would be fine for and realizing that things are getting way louder than you planned on. That second cab buys you a lot of insurance to handle the gig should the volume work its way up during the performance.
What about a vertical side-by-side arrangement? I prefer stacked horizontal in most applications that I play in, but at church, a side-by-side arrangement may be seen as less threatening/indulgent/BIG/distracting...
How does that arrangement affect the sound? Back in the day, I used a lot of s-b-s setups; Fender Showmans, Vox Super Beatles, etc. and also some horizontal stacks - 2 8 x 10s (smaller overall footprint).
Just wondering, I've never sen that discussed.
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
To quote Rick Turner; "Mother Nature loves tall speaker arrays" I'm assuming that's all to do with beaming, dispersion, comb filtering , etc. One thing I'm sure of is that there are a lot of folks on TB that know more than me on this. All I know is, the taller it is, the better I can hear myself onstage.
I agree that taller is easier to hear on-stage, this is more a question of sound with this aesthetic arrangement for visual reasons. I'm using in-ears, so hearing myself isn't really a concern.
I think that every room you play in has its challenges, so if you find an arrangement that works for you, then all is good. Stacking mostly affects the coupling of the low end to the floor and the dispersion of your upper frequencies. While dispersion isn't the end all, be all that some on TB make it out to be (most of us play right in front of our cabs 90% of the time), there are some very good reasons for wanting to improve your horizontal dispersion on stage. Namely, your "sweet spot" gets wider and allows you some more freedom of movement on stage while still being able to hear those all important upper mids and highs, similar the that of you standing in front of you cabs.
So, picture your basic 210 cab for a minute. By laying that cabinet so the drivers are horizontal (much like two M112's side by side), you are reducing the horizontal dispersion of your upper frequencies, compared to that of a single 10" cabinet. Now, turn that 210 on end, so the drivers are vertical and you greatly increase the horizontal dispersion of your upper frequencies. So, while the ML112's can't make a perfect line array, laying them horizontal stacks the woofers and mids more tightly in a vertical line, which improves your horizontal dispersion of your upper frequencies and increases low end coupling with the floor. Stacking the cabs vertically lessens this effect, as you have moved the drivers further away from each other.
I wouldn't worry too much about the ML112 stack being too menacing on stage as it's still a quite small stack. If you play right in front of your cabs and use IE monitors with PA support, then you can probably make do with one cab just fine.
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I know there is probably some scientific reason not to do this, but I've been doing exactly this quite a bit lately and you guessed it, it still sounds fantastic. As noted by others, different configurations yield different results.
Outdoors, I like horizontal stacking for more booty.
You know the old saying - If it sounds good, then it is good. I'm a big believer in doing whatever works for you. I know it's one of the worst sins you can commit on TalkBass, but I actually played a 410 over a 115 for many, many years and was quite content in my ignorance.
I wouldn't worry too much about the ML112 stack being too menacing on stage as it's still a quite small stack. If you play right in front of your cabs and use IE monitors with PA support, then you can probably make do with one cab just fine.[/QUOTE]
Well Roger you say it is not menacing but when I have used a stack of ML's live I have seen lead guitarists crying like babies back stage
Well Roger you say it is not menacing but when I have used a stack of ML's live I have seen lead guitarists crying like babies back stage
I can't remember who for the life of me at the moment, but there is/was a famous bass player that usually put his fridge sideways on stage, instead of the classic vertical 8/10. I bet there's a good reason.
Lowendtech
Happily trending in my own peculiar direction.
Well Roger you say it is not menacing but when I have used a stack of ML's live I have seen lead guitarists crying like babies back stage[/QUOTE]
I am seriously considering a second ML115 for this very reason. I like the idea of having one for home, one for rehearsal space, redundancy in case something goes wrong, and just being able to have a 4 ohm stack with that nice tonal reinforcement you speak of.
Given the design of the 115, I suspect that a pair of them will reinforce the bass, while maintaining that tightness that is built into the design. I am also really liking the mid range. It makes the upper register very clear, but yet neither harsh nor honky.
