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Baer Amplification Megathread!

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GRoberts said:
And this means if I liked the mids up from my AE410, I will like the mid punch from the ML112's as well ....yes?
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+1 There is a LOT of the AE 10 loaded cabs tone in the ML112 to my ear. Not exactly the same of course, but punchy and a very 'organic/paper cone' type top end that reminds me of the AE410. More actual low end, but in the same 'tone universe' as I often say:) If you dig the AE410 with the Tweeter at 9 o'clock, you will be VERY happy with a couple of ML112's IMO
 
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KJung said:
+1 There is a LOT of the AE 10 loaded cabs tone in the ML112 to my ear. Not exactly the same of course, but punchy and a very 'organic/paper cone' type top end that reminds me of the AE410. More actual low end, but in the same 'tone universe' as I often say:) If you dig the AE410 with the Tweeter at 9 o'clock, you will be VERY happy with a couple of ML112's IMO
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Yeah I hear that as well, I had an ae410 for a while, nice cab, the ml is much less harsh I think, prob down to the faital? And lows are in the cellar!
 
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R Baer said:
The horizontal stack will sound a little fatter down low because both woofers are closer to each other, so there is some coupling effect going on there between the drivers and the floor. The vertical stack will sound a little leaner because of the increase distance between the drivers and the fact that one of the mids is now closer to ear level. Knowing this, you can actually use the configuration to help adjust to the venue.

Horizontal stack can be useful in a room where the bass typical sounds a bit weak, or thin. It's also great on a bigger stage where you find yourself a ways out from the rig and you can take advantage of the great mid dispersion. The vertical stack is great for boomy rooms where the bass tends to build up and sound like mud. Also useful for cutting down the boom you get from playing on a hollow platform stage. Of course, this is also the way to go on a small stage as you get the top mid driver much closer to ear level. This lets you turn the volume down on stage, which of course helps everybody and makes the sound guy mighty happy.
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That explains what I am hearing, thanks Roger.
Auralex Gramma is amazing for hollow stages. My house is 110 yrs old with wooden floors, if I don't use the gramma then my rig sounds like a subwoofer!!
 
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KJung said:
More actual low end, but in the same 'tone universe' as I often say. If you dig the AE410 with the Tweeter at 9 o'clock, you will be VERY happy with a couple of ML112's IMO
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Since I previously gigged AE210s (and liked them a lot), this opinion makes me happy that the pair of ML112s are en-route. I always found that I wanted a bit more low end, and a bit sweeter hi-mids. Cabs should make it Fri and I have gigs Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon/Wed/Thu with five different lineups in six different rooms so they'll get trial by fire.
 
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nostatic said:
Since I previously gigged AE210s (and liked them a lot), this opinion makes me happy that the pair of ML112s are en-route. I always found that I wanted a bit more low end, and a bit sweeter hi-mids. Cabs should make it Fri and I have gigs Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon/Wed/Thu with five different lineups in six different rooms so they'll get trial by fire.
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Totally understand what you are saying about wanting a little more low end and sweeter mids and highs. Yet in the band mix, not once did I ever take issue with the mids or highs. They just "work" in the AE series. But still, the description of he Baers mids and highs seem rather ideal. I am really interested in your review!
 
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nostatic said:
Since I previously gigged AE210s (and liked them a lot), this opinion makes me happy that the pair of ML112s are en-route. I always found that I wanted a bit more low end, and a bit sweeter hi-mids. Cabs should make it Fri and I have gigs Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon/Wed/Thu with five different lineups in six different rooms so they'll get trial by fire.
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You will never be lacking low end with the ml112, I owned a vertical ae210 for a while, the Baer is way deeper!
 
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GRoberts said:
Totally understand what you are saying about wanting a little more low end and sweeter mids and highs. Yet in the band mix, not once did I ever take issue with the mids or highs. They just "work" in the AE series. But still, the description of he Baers mids and highs seem rather ideal. I am really interested in your review!
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This has been a reoccurring issue with me for a few years. Highs sound great, but need more lows. Change cabs. Now I have more lows, but need more highs. Turn up Tweeter. Highs sound like breaking glass. Change cabs again. Rinse, repeat. Over and over. So I'm thinking it's just the tone and shrillness of the highs that I'm not getting from tweeters. I love the highs on an 8x10 for example, though I could use just a touch more openness. I'm hoping the ML112 kind of covers all that, but I just haven't forced myself to pull the trigger on one yet.
 
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I come from the Berg camp, but the Baers have me all GASsy. My buddy had my AE210 verticals and a ML112 stack at the same time and I asked him to comment. This was his response (I didn't ask for his permission to quote so I didn't post his TB handle, but figured it might be useful to some):

"I put the Baer 112 next to the AE210 and I'm surprised the Baer single 12 is neck and neck with the AE210. I would think the more surface area of the 2 10's would make it a lot louder. There's more low low end on the Baer 112. It doesn't extend as high in the crisp high end like the Bergantino since it has a mid driver and not a tweeter. It's a little smoother sounding than the Bergantino. The Bergantino has more complex mids which I really like. In a setting at home, I like the sound of the Bergantino better but they're the same sound universe really. The mids seem to project much more in the Baer like they jump out at you. I believe the Baer would cut better in a band mix but I don't have that experience to say for sure. 2 of the Baer 112's would most likely hang with a 610 cab IMHO. They would kill most 410's. I like both cabs but the Bergantino is probably a little more versatile! You can play all types of music with the Baer but you won't get that Marcus Miller high end on it like you can get on the Bergantino. You can get some nice Jamerson Motown out of the Baer that you will not get out of the Bergantino so it's a toss up...just depends on what your preference is"
 
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Saluki said:
I come from the Berg camp, but the Baers have me all GASsy. My buddy had my AE210 verticals and a ML112 stack at the same time and I asked him to comment. This was his response (I didn't ask for his permission to quote so I didn't post his TB handle, but figured it might be useful to some):

"I put the Baer 112 next to the AE210 and I'm surprised the Baer single 12 is neck and neck with the AE210. I would think the more surface area of the 2 10's would make it a lot louder. There's more low low end on the Baer 112. It doesn't extend as high in the crisp high end like the Bergantino since it has a mid driver and not a tweeter. It's a little smoother sounding than the Bergantino. The Bergantino has more complex mids which I really like. In a setting at home, I like the sound of the Bergantino better but they're the same sound universe really. The mids seem to project much more in the Baer like they jump out at you. I believe the Baer would cut better in a band mix but I don't have that experience to say for sure. 2 of the Baer 112's would most likely hang with a 610 cab IMHO. They would kill most 410's. I like both cabs but the Bergantino is probably a little more versatile! You can play all types of music with the Baer but you won't get that Marcus Miller high end on it like you can get on the Bergantino. You can get some nice Jamerson Motown out of the Baer that you will not get out of the Bergantino so it's a toss up...just depends on what your preference is"
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Sounds 'right on' from my direct A/B. They were close enough that I stuck with my AE210 vertical (that is such a wonderful form factor), but would be happy with the ML112 also. Surprisingly close, with slight differences at the extremes.
 
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nostatic said:
Since I previously gigged AE210s (and liked them a lot), this opinion makes me happy that the pair of ML112s are en-route. I always found that I wanted a bit more low end, and a bit sweeter hi-mids. Cabs should make it Fri and I have gigs Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon/Wed/Thu with five different lineups in six different rooms so they'll get trial by fire.
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Is it my imagination or do you have a lot of nice cabs "enroute"?:)
 
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nostatic said:
Perhaps :D

Actually three cabs en route (Baer pair and RCF HD-12a), two others in construction. All for scratching different itches, and likely some combination will be flipped once I figure out which ones work for my capricious whims.
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I love your Whimsy! You're my hero! LOL ... Keep us posted. We expect a full report. Now if only someone wanted to buy my Mesa M6 Carbine. ..or trade me a Baer ML112 toward it? ....Starting to think I need to sell off some gear I am not using.
 
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This was me, a year ago, and up until fairly recently.
I think I'm on the downslope, but I'm fickle.

nostatic said:
Perhaps :D

Actually three cabs en route (Baer pair and RCF HD-12a), two others in construction. All for scratching different itches, and likely some combination will be flipped once I figure out which ones work for my capricious whims.
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