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bag end s15d

#21
Yeah the smaller 15 cube badeng cab never had the response or lows that i prefer..it is portable though...
The S15B-D is bigger.. but that cab gives all you want from a 15... I have tried many 15 cabs over the years.. and the deep Bagend cab covers just about anything that you would want from a single 15 cab and then some..
i think many 15 cabs are sized more for maketability than for their tonal quality and response... where this particular larger bagend cab the S15B-D was made more for what you can get from a 15 cab sonically... its even unconventional as far as its dimensions ... what i mean is it is thin and narrow but deep.. where others may use the same or close to the same dimensions but they dont use the deep dimension,, instead they go wider and less deep.. I think that may have something to do with the response too... i am not a speaker cab designer but i notice the same with the aggu gs112.. it is deeper than most other 1x12 cabs and that cab happenes to have a big sound... the aggy is not to be compared to a bagend.. just a thought on cab depth compared to sounding deep...
 
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#22
svtb15 said:
i think many 15 cabs are sized more for maketability than for their tonal quality and response...
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Wow, I just said that on tb a few days ago. 12" drivers have the potential to do better in the small cabs most fifteeens come in than what's put in them. There's really no advantage to a 15 in a small box when this is the case since it sacrifices better more extended midrange due to beaming limits.

I do wish more bass-oriented neo 12" drivers would become available.
 
#23
I heard a great local bassist playing through 2 bag end 15s. At least one of them was the 15x with the coax. It really blew me away. True it didn't have a sound typical of a 15, but that's what impressed me. The clarity and high end sounded great. Sort of a modern jazzy tone, very cool. I was ultra-impressed.
 
#24
review of the s15s look pretty good so far. and a big factor is that it is 44 lbs and so small. i really can't have a 70 lb thing sitting in my dorm room that i have to lug around campus without a car.

is there perhaps a better alternative to the s15 that would retain a similar weight?
 
#26
im not the biggest avatar fan, especially after they marketed and sold kappa pro speakers in a bass cab. these are clearly more suited for pa applications, and the low end is nearly nonexistant, while the mids are far more than subtle.

a dr bass rx 15 with either the deltalite or basslite sounds much better, and would cost LESS than the used bagend, goes from 35hz to 20khz, and weighs less on top of that. however, the resale value diminishes, whereas i can always get the same $$ for the bagend...

i also wouldn't have to deal with rat fur.
 
#28
greenboy said:
Go by the driver used. I don't care if it's Avatar or not especially (buy Genz Benz or Dr Bass then!), I'm just saying that there's no added low end for a fifteen if it's stacked inside a twelve-sized cab. In fact, there's often less.
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that does seem to make sense.

so how about a used neox 212 from genz benz.... 62 lbs, casters.... 4 ohm... sounds like thatd b even cooler than having a crappy 2 10 and a 15 in a wrong size box.
 
#31
svtb15,

When I was studying speaker cabs about 500 years ago, there was an optimum ratio of l/w/h in order to reduce standing waves from inside the cabinet interfering with the output. Back then it was 2.6h/1.6w/1l. Damping materials and their amount would also affect this. Maybe someone more current can update us.
 
#32
Prior to going with an all Nahas setup I used an S15D with a Nahas 1-12 with excellent results. I played either fives or sixes through them and always got compliments from other bassists who couldn't believe the sound I was getting from my relatively tiny rig. I drove them with either an AMP BH420 or Thunderfunk TFB420.

The only reason I stopped using the BE was the Nahas 1-15 I got, basically the BE cab made 3" deeper and runnning a Delta Pro 15.

In the meantime I gave my S15D to Kevin Brubaker and it provides the lows for his gigs. He's running a Markbass SD800 into a Mesa Walkabout (12"?) and the BE cab and it cranks. The MB head replaced an Eden Navigator/QSC 3402 combo. The little cabs replaced a large Eden stack.
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#33
All of this is not helping in my research. I play a 5 string, and I am looking for a single cabinet for medium size gigs. In-ears may also be used from time to time. Anyway, I am looking for an 8 ohm cab that will sound decent on it's own and is really more for stage volume and monitoring. I will be powering with a DPC 750 which is 700 watts at 8 ohms.

My research has led me to the GS112 or the Bagend 15. I guess you could throw in the Avatar SB112 or a Dr. Bass RX15 or RX12 in there too. Which brings me back to sqaure one which is overwhelmed by the possibilities...:eyebrow: Dang it!!!
 
#34
OP1964 said:
All of this is not helping in my research. I play a 5 string, and I am looking for a single cabinet for medium size gigs. In-ears may also be used from time to time. Anyway, I am looking for an 8 ohm cab that will sound decent on it's own and is really more for stage volume and monitoring. I will be powering with a DPC 750 which is 700 watts at 8 ohms.

My research has led me to the GS112 or the Bagend 15. I guess you could throw in the Avatar SB112 or a Dr. Bass RX15 or RX12 in there too. Which brings me back to sqaure one which is overwhelmed by the possibilities...:eyebrow: Dang it!!!
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You let me know when you figure it out.

I'm torn between the Bag End 15D and the Dr Bass 1x15...Then I flip-flop to 12's and tell myself to just get a 1x12.

Maybe I should get a 1x15, stack a 1x12 on top and call it done.
 
#35
Heh, in some ways, I think my situation is even more of a head-scratcher. I have a Walkabout Scout 12" combo (which I feel very lucky to have), but should I supplement it with a 12" or 15", which could be a pain to carry along w/the combo? (If I'm going to have a light rig, I want it to be a one-tripper.) Or do I leave the Scout cab at home and go for a single-cab solution with the head such as an Aggie/Dr Bass/GB 2X12? Decisions, decisions...
 
#36
The ultra-techies of our crowd have a dozen reasons why the Bag End S15-D shouldn't be considered. The rest of us who don't care so much about the S15-D's technical inadequacies, and who play S15-Ds, will tell you that the tone from this cab is addicting. It simply sounds great, either at home or on the gig.

I played mine live last night, room of 250, driven by a Neo-Pak 3.5. There was a sweet spot of volume, not really extremely loud, but FULL. It was about 10:00 on the 3.5's master. When I turned up to that point, the setup just sang. Very rich, full and musical. Note: The S15-D combines very well with the GB Neo-Pak!

Live, I don't miss the ultra-ultra-deep lows. At all. I just want that tone!

IMHO, Bag End was not trying to push the state of the art of cabinet engineering, nor defy the laws of physics, they just wanted to build a portable, toneful and practical cabinet for players.
 
#37
One thing to consider also is which head you are using with the S15D. I wasnt impressed with it when I used Focus SA / sabddi with it. However, my Carvin b800 is deep and flat by nature so when mated with the S15D it really brings out the lows that might be missing with another head.

I think it should be also said that those ultra-lows, while they sound nice in your bedroom, dont do well in a live band mix. Those ultra-lows can just turn into rumble and smudge. Personally, I prefer a tight low-end.
 
#40
I agree with the posters who like it's great tone and don't mind the lack of huge lows. If I want a huge Reggae tone in a big room I don't take them with me, but for everything else I love them for their small footprint on stage, their great monitoring capabilities (tons of mids you can hear up close) and the fact that they couple extremely well- two stacked up gives you a very full range musical tone with just the right amount of solid bass for busy mixes of all kinds. They are the lightest good 15" cabs I've seen without going the neo route, yet the cabs are super strong, stiff and well put together.

Buy one or two used and see if you like them, if not you can flip them instantly.
 

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