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Barefaced 610 hype/svt killer etc. etc.

#21
I think it's more productive to use Euphonic audio's ad copy as an example. For example for the Wizzy cab they did not say B15 killer but rather "The Fliptop Sound of the New Millennium"

If you use killer, you are implying that the current status quo is a pestilence or disease and that's no way to have people adopt your product.

I would like to see the Bareface 8X10 being carried with one hand. Is it around 30 lbs. Because at that height the position also makes it hard to lift 50 lbs.
 
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deff said:
Played our first show last Saturday and the bass player from one of the other bands had a BF610. I have heard tons of hype surrounding this cab so I didn't bring my Berg NV412T. So during sound check I had some time to play around with the cab, which sounds remarkably like my RevSound 410. It had very similar power handling and if anything the same kinda of rounded bottom end. It doesn't sound anywhere near as full as the Berg, but that's a totally different thing. I don't get the SVT comparison though except in terms of layout. It sounded nothing like an SVT 810. I can't comment on SVT 610's because I don't really like them.

It seems everyone wants to compare any cab with 10's against an SVT and say it is an SVT killer, but these cabs sound literally nothing alike at all. Preference is subjective, but to me it was apples and elephants. I did like the cab and it's form and weight and everything is nice, but basically it was just like the RevSound I have. They sound and weigh around the same.
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Interesting. IMO, 90% of the romance with the fridge is 2-10s are at about Ear level , and that is coupled with being progressively off axis with the other six. The effect for a bassist is a much clearer punchier tone from the top pair of tens, but with a nice warm full low end from the lower speakers. In the house, or the further you are away from the cab, that effect would disappear.
 
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Ethereal Thorn said:
I think people are missing what they mean when the say it's a act 8x10 killer its more about reaching similar out put and volume and being smaller in size and weight
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Maybe.

I always read anything that talks about similarities of an 8X10 or that it's better than an 8X10 (whatever the comments are), is that:
#1: It sounds like an Ampeg 8X10
#2: It does it "better" than an Ampeg 8X10. Lighter, louder, easier to move around, etc.

If it doesn't have anything to do with #1, then it shouldn't be compared to an 8X10.
 
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Barefaced Line Array
All six drivers in the Six10 work in unison to produce big bass and punchy mids but to improve dispersion one column of three has treble output - just like a PA line array.

It might seem counter-intuitive but the dispersion of a wave source is inversely proportion to the size of the source vs the wavelength - so side by side 10" drivers can have good dispersion through the lows and lower mids but once you get into the higher mids and treble the lateral dispersion narrows drastically. By only letting higher mids and treble come from one column of speakers we get much better dispersion through those frequencies so you have more consistent tone around the stage and venue. Not something you'll notice in a shop but something that can feel life changing on noisy gigs.

To the OP, or anyone who has walked around the stage while using one - do you find this feature noticeable?
 
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Jaco who? said:
Barefaced Line Array
All six drivers in the Six10 work in unison to produce big bass and punchy mids but to improve dispersion one column of three has treble output - just like a PA line array.

It might seem counter-intuitive but the dispersion of a wave source is inversely proportion to the size of the source vs the wavelength - so side by side 10" drivers can have good dispersion through the lows and lower mids but once you get into the higher mids and treble the lateral dispersion narrows drastically. By only letting higher mids and treble come from one column of speakers we get much better dispersion through those frequencies so you have more consistent tone around the stage and venue. Not something you'll notice in a shop but something that can feel life changing on noisy gigs.

To the OP, or anyone who has walked around the stage while using one - do you find this feature noticeable?
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I feel like SVT's are pretty consistent no matter where you stand sound wise. I do notice that their 810's may not sound that loud when you're right up close but the back of the room has it's head taken off.
 
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deff said:
I feel like SVT's are pretty consistent no matter where you stand sound wise. I do notice that their 810's may not sound that loud when you're right up close but the back of the room has it's head taken off.
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OK, but when you were playing through the BF610, did you notice it being clearer sounding while standing to the left or right of it? I'm just curious if the comb filtering thing is real or blown out of proportion, or maybe a little of both. :D
 
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Jaco who? said:
OK, but when you were playing through the BF610, did you notice it being clearer sounding while standing to the left or right of it? I'm just curious if the comb filtering thing is real or blown out of proportion, or maybe a little of both. :D
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I haven't played any of the barefaced 10" cabs, but all of the 12" cabs sound amazing no matter where you are standing. I'd expect the 10" cabs to be no different.
 
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I definitely prefer my BF 6x10 to Ampeg 810e I used to own.

Twice the power and I can get it into the backseat of my Mazda by myself.

Does it sound like the Ampeg? Honestly not sure, it's been a minute since I've had that cab. But it does sound great and one definite term I'd use for it is "vintage". It's warm and handles low mids like a champ. If I tried pushing the cab to the point where it would start to break up, I'd probably knock down the walls of the venue. Loud is an understatement. My Aguilar AG7 never has to go much more than 3 or 4 on volume to compete with a loud drummer and overdriven guitars.

Any "killer" terminology is just marketing lingo and not really to be taken seriously. But the cab checks all the boxes I would want for a vintage sounding box.
 
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Jaco who? said:
OK, but when you were playing through the BF610, did you notice it being clearer sounding while standing to the left or right of it? I'm just curious if the comb filtering thing is real or blown out of proportion, or maybe a little of both. :D
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I'm sorry I can't rightfully say. On the video the sound was pretty consistent despite where the person taking it was standing, but this would really be going out on a limb. My apologies for not understanding the question.
 
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phillipkregg said:
I definitely prefer my BF 6x10 to Ampeg 810e I used to own.

Twice the power and I can get it into the backseat of my Mazda by myself.

Does it sound like the Ampeg? Honestly not sure, it's been a minute since I've had that cab. But it does sound great and one definite term I'd use for it is "vintage". It's warm and handles low mids like a champ. If I tried pushing the cab to the point where it would start to break up, I'd probably knock down the walls of the venue. Loud is an understatement. My Aguilar AG7 never has to go much more than 3 or 4 on volume to compete with a loud drummer and overdriven guitars.

Any "killer" terminology is just marketing lingo and not really to be taken seriously. But the cab checks all the boxes I would want for a vintage sounding box.
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Definitely a warm low end, but I would disagree about the amount of break up at a given volume on the cab I used. I do tend to play loud, we're an old guy hardcore band.
 
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MrSidecar said:
I don’t know if Alex is about to chime in, but imho the 810 killer thing is not so much about being “better” tone wise (that’d be a pretty tough one, with tone being super subjective to taste). What I think they mean is killing in terms of weight/volume ratio and maybe also power-handling wise.
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Strictly as a consumer with no insider knowledge, that's been my impression as well. When I was researching Barefaced cabs I never came away with the impression they were trying to make any of their cabs sound like an Ampeg (or any other brand, for that matter).
 
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lucas303 said:
Strictly as a consumer with no insider knowledge, that's been my impression as well. When I was researching Barefaced cabs I never came away with the impression they were trying to make any of their cabs sound like an Ampeg (or any other brand, for that matter).
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It's the title of the description of the cab in their advertising. Please....

The Six10 - the all-new fridge killer!
 
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deff said:
Played our first show last Saturday and the bass player from one of the other bands had a BF610. I have heard tons of hype surrounding this cab so I didn't bring my Berg NV412T. So during sound check I had some time to play around with the cab, which sounds remarkably like my RevSound 410. It had very similar power handling and if anything the same kinda of rounded bottom end. It doesn't sound anywhere near as full as the Berg, but that's a totally different thing. I don't get the SVT comparison though except in terms of layout. It sounded nothing like an SVT 810. I can't comment on SVT 610's because I don't really like them.

It seems everyone wants to compare any cab with 10's against an SVT and say it is an SVT killer, but these cabs sound literally nothing alike at all. Preference is subjective, but to me it was apples and elephants. I did like the cab and it's form and weight and everything is nice, but basically it was just like the RevSound I have. They sound and weigh around the same.
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Based on what I’ve heard of RevSound I’d put that cab in the same league as Barefaced and GreenBoy. I think they all have the same goal of providing strong, clean, and neutral tones in an easy to move enclosure with plenty of headroom.

For some people and for certain situations that type of thing is obviously very desirable but I don’t think that because that’s what these cabs do that they should be put on some holy bass pedestal.

I could be wrong but I think they just call them SVT killers because you get so much oomph out of a small cab. The SVT810 was at one point crowned the boom king so that’s the one to outperform. They couldn’t be more different from a tonality standpoint.
 
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I got my NV610 cuz I'm a giant wimp and can barely carry that thing.

All my takeaway was when it was touted as an SVT killer was that for the size, it could put out just as much volume as the 810 whilst saving a few lbs in the process. If anything, the weakest part of my rig is the LittleMarkII head I got with it.

I don't think that's a "kill", so much as a happy alternative to what's become a standard go to setup. If you want an SVT, I don't think anything can replace it, there is mojo there. These other cabs present an alternative with or without certain trade-offs. They ain't killed nothin IMO.
 
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phillipkregg said:
I definitely prefer my BF 6x10 to Ampeg 810e I used to own.

Twice the power and I can get it into the backseat of my Mazda by myself.

Does it sound like the Ampeg? Honestly not sure, it's been a minute since I've had that cab. But it does sound great and one definite term I'd use for it is "vintage". It's warm and handles low mids like a champ. If I tried pushing the cab to the point where it would start to break up, I'd probably knock down the walls of the venue. Loud is an understatement. My Aguilar AG7 never has to go much more than 3 or 4 on volume to compete with a loud drummer and overdriven guitars.

Any "killer" terminology is just marketing lingo and not really to be taken seriously. But the cab checks all the boxes I would want for a vintage sounding box.
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This is my experience too. I regularly use a Barefaced Six 10 and have owned a fridge as well as Berg NV 610 and 215. The spread of the Barefaced Six 10 is amazing and always gets positive comments. Volumewise it is easily as loud as the Ampeg and Berg cabs. Tone is subjective but for me it has a baked in vintage vibe that really works.
 
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