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Barefaced 610 hype/svt killer etc. etc.

#81
alexclaber said:
The thing is, no-one buys a Barefaced cab on a whim, and most email for advice, and I've learnt that the best approach is to be as precise and honest as possible with my analysis of what's needed, that way people get the cab they really want, and continue to spread good words about us.

Regarding high pass filters, you can use a separate one if you like but I can't see why anyone would need to use one with a Six10 and it's not something I hear from customers (and one of the big upsides of selling direct is we also get very direct feedback). Are you assuming that the Six10 has tons more low-end than an Ampeg 810 or have you heard one?
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You said it does. Have to take you at your word.
 
#82
jnewmark said:
Yeah, I get it now, but the original post was basically saying, " this cab does not sound like a fridge". I don't think it was ever implied by anyone, even Alex, that it did. The OP was making the comparison, even though he states he gets frustrated when people make comparisons when there isn't one to be made. Confusing, but, hey, I'm 73; confusion is a daily thing.
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I'm right behind you J, I just turned 60.
 
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#83
JimmyM said:
You said it does. Have to take you at your word.
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Was that regarding the lows? It's very hard to respond honestly and accurately on talkbass as a commerical user without contravening the CUP but I shall do my best.

When we talk about the lows from a bass cab there are three key aspects:

1. The amount of lows relative to the rest of the cab's sound - in other words, like turning the bass knob up on your amp.
2. How deep the lows go - do they start rolling off early like playing bass through a Marshall guitar 412, do they go super deep like going through a big PA system with subs, or somewhere in between (and there's a lot of variance in between).
3. How much low end SPL the cab can generate before it runs out of ability to move air.

The design concept behind all our 10CR cabs is to have a balanced amount of lows vs the cab's sound and for the lows to sound and feel more like a great sealed cab in terms of their transient response and the frequency response in the lows (that typical bump in the mid-bass and then a shallow roll-off from there, rather than being flat through the mid-bass and staying strong much deeper before a steep roll-off as with say a Big Baby 2 12XN cab). So in terms of points 1 and 2 there's not a lot of difference to many of the fridges, as that's key to the sound and feel.

The difference is in point 3, that the combination of high max cone excursion and the hybrid resonator design means that the 10CR cabs can move a lot more air. This allows bassists to turn up louder if they need to, or boost their lows more if they want that kind of sound. The capability for bigger lows is there but it's your choice to use it or not.

Does that explain it ok?
 
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#84
I have an ampeg810 and am currently waiting on a barefaced six10 to be delivered, I’m currently using an SVT-4 pro. I opted for the six10 because of its form factor and volume (I now no longer HAVE to own a big sedan, van, or truck to play bass, or enlist help getting the 810 into my 2nd floor apartment.) the fella who opted to purchase my 810 has a large open studio space in the factory behind my house and I own a zoom h6. I was going to ask him to let me break in my cab in his space anyway. I suppose it wouldn’t be too much effort to do a side/side comparison if they’re both going to be in the same place at the same time anyhow. I figure I could use the same settings that I use for the 810 on the six10 for a comparison of their sound, and then try my best to fiddle with the knobs to try and cop the 810vibe and do another A/B comparison. I also have a 410hlf to compare it to if need be. If I can find the time, it seems to be content people are interested to hear about that as of yet doesn’t currently exist, at least as far as I can tell.

full disclosure, my 810 is fully loaded with the EHX-10’s so it probably won’t be the comparison most of you are looking for.
 
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#85
deff said:
No offense to the Barefaced folks but I don't think that I would switch. I'm also not sure at this point I would switch the 412 for a NV610. I have heard great things about the NV610, but have no actual experience with it. The Barefaced sounded good, it was just more polite maybe. To me it didn't sound at all like an SVT810. It was a solid sounding cab though. I probably would have done some tweeter adjusting if there was one and I have a moment or two during soundcheck.
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I wouldn't swap the NV412 for a NV610. The 412 is its own thing, and it's a great thing.
I've a NV215, which is another flavor of great, but I had a NV412 and would happily have another
 
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#86
alexclaber said:
Was that regarding the lows? It's very hard to respond honestly and accurately on talkbass as a commerical user without contravening the CUP but I shall do my best.

When we talk about the lows from a bass cab there are three key aspects:

1. The amount of lows relative to the rest of the cab's sound - in other words, like turning the bass knob up on your amp.
2. How deep the lows go - do they start rolling off early like playing bass through a Marshall guitar 412, do they go super deep like going through a big PA system with subs, or somewhere in between (and there's a lot of variance in between).
3. How much low end SPL the cab can generate before it runs out of ability to move air.

The design concept behind all our 10CR cabs is to have a balanced amount of lows vs the cab's sound and for the lows to sound and feel more like a great sealed cab in terms of their transient response and the frequency response in the lows (that typical bump in the mid-bass and then a shallow roll-off from there, rather than being flat through the mid-bass and staying strong much deeper before a steep roll-off as with say a Big Baby 2 12XN cab). So in terms of points 1 and 2 there's not a lot of difference to many of the fridges, as that's key to the sound and feel.

The difference is in point 3, that the combination of high max cone excursion and the hybrid resonator design means that the 10CR cabs can move a lot more air. This allows bassists to turn up louder if they need to, or boost their lows more if they want that kind of sound. The capability for bigger lows is there but it's your choice to use it or not.

Does that explain it ok?
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Thx for taking the time to explain it, Alex. Like I said, you're doing something right keeping your business thriving after over 10 years.
 
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#87
deff said:
No doubt. Sing the virtues. It is a good cab, that sounds nothing like an SVT 810. I did really like it. I liked it less on stage when I was up close to it, but in video that people had taken of us playing it sounded way better. Just not at all SVT like. Yes, light weight, sounds good. As I stated in the first post, it sounds remarkably close to my RevSound 410 and the weight/volume/sound ratio is pretty similar.
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For clarification that is an original RS410 not a RS410VT that you own correct?
 
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#91
deff said:
Darkglass MT900 run without the MT engine on, just clean. I use an always on Damnation Audio Curmudgeon D3.
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To expand on that I use the bass in my avatar which is a Sandberg 48 BCR mashup with a walnut body. The meck pickup full on and maybe 10% bridge if I remember. The pickup is a Dimarzio Model P. If I could link to Instagram there is video of the show. It sounds good, just not SVT like.
 
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deff said:
Darkglass MT900 run without the MT engine on, just clean. I use an always on Damnation Audio Curmudgeon D3.
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Ah, I was hoping just maybe you tried the Barefaced Six10 with an Ampeg SVT-CL or SVT-VR.
Not that it really matters...amplifier, cab, bass experience is all subjective anyway.
Just would be cool to see what you thought about the Six10 through an all-tube head.
Maybe someone else can chime in with regards to this if they're paying attention.

Cool...I have no experience Darkglass as of yet. Heard a lot of great things about that brand.
 
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deff said:
To expand on that I use the bass in my avatar which is a Sandberg 48 BCR mashup with a walnut body. The meck pickup full on and maybe 10% bridge if I remember. The pickup is a Dimarzio Model P. If I could link to Instagram there is video of the show. It sounds good, just not SVT like.
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Well it totally makes sense that there's no way that the Barefaced could sound exactly like an Ampeg 810E because it's not a copy...it's a different design with different parts, tuning, so a different beast but with the intent to capture the vintage tone. I haven't played one yet, but I do plan on it at some point. I know of one that is available local to me and it's VERY intriguing since I recently owned a Bergantino NV610.

And like anything...some players will enjoy the Barefaced Six10 more just like others may prefer the Ampeg 810E more.
 
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bassballs27 said:
Ah, I was hoping just maybe you tried the Barefaced Six10 with an Ampeg SVT-CL or SVT-VR.
Not that it really matters...amplifier, cab, bass experience is all subjective anyway.
Just would be cool to see what you thought about the Six10 through an all-tube head.
Maybe someone else can chime in with regards to this if they're paying attention.

Cool...I have no experience Darkglass as of yet. Heard a lot of great things about that brand.
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Ahh, I can answer that. I'm fairly the guy whose cab it was uses an SVT. I think it was a CL. Once again, good, it just didn't have the same tonal profile. I also have another friend that uses one with an SVT and he loves his.
 
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bassballs27 said:
Well it totally makes sense that there's no way that the Barefaced could sound exactly like an Ampeg 810E because it's not a copy...it's a different design with different parts, tuning, so a different beast but with the intent to capture the vintage tone. I haven't played one yet, but I do plan on it at some point. I know of one that is available local to me and it's VERY intriguing since I recently owned a Bergantino NV610.

And like anything...some players will enjoy the Barefaced Six10 more just like others may prefer the Ampeg 810E more.
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Yeah, once again, my complaint is almost always with hyperbole in marketing and I get that people need to use classic examples to explain things. How many times have you heard the term Les Paul killer? It seems like in the 2000's everyone said that about whatever guitar they were producing or owned. BF puts SVT killer in their marketing, right up top. It was confusing and irritating to me because while it is lighter weight than an SVT and basically something in a similar form factor, the similarity kind of ends there. I would say that the cab is pretty vintagey sounding. My preference is for something that really punches but is more full range like a Berg, but as you said, these things are subjective.
 
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bassballs27 said:
Ah, I was hoping just maybe you tried the Barefaced Six10 with an Ampeg SVT-CL or SVT-VR.
Not that it really matters...amplifier, cab, bass experience is all subjective anyway.
Just would be cool to see what you thought about the Six10 through an all-tube head.
Maybe someone else can chime in with regards to this if they're paying attention.

Cool...I have no experience Darkglass as of yet. Heard a lot of great things about that brand.
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I ran an 210+410 Barefaced rig with a SHAW B150 all Tube amp. It was the most glorious sound I had ever heard. Wish I never would have sold it. The thing about Alex's 10" based cabs is the speakers impart a natural tonal profile and seem to have a slight breakup when driven that is just killer.......if thats what you are into. Some people lean into the uber clean Studio monitor thing, which is great in certain projects/genres. If you are looking for a vintage vibe you really can't beat those 10CR250s.
 
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3rdcurve said:
I ran an 210+410 Barefaced rig with a SHAW B150 all Tube amp. It was the most glorious sound I had ever heard. Wish I never would have sold it. The thing about Alex's 10" based cabs is the speakers impart a natural tonal profile and seem to have a slight breakup when driven that is just killer.......if thats what you are into. Some people lean into the uber clean Studio monitor thing, which is great in certain projects/genres. If you are looking for a vintage vibe you really can't beat those 10CR250s.
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Exactly my experience except I have kept my four 10 + two 10 rig. Can't see me ever parting with it.
 

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