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Barefaced 610 hype/svt killer etc. etc.
- Thread starter deff
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"Fridge killer" isn't "SVT killer". Seems as though yet another thread has been created from a mistaken premise and taken to the races.
It does stand to reason that if you can do more with less, then you will. If I needed a specific amount of power handling and sound output and I could achieve that in a smaller form factor with fewer speakers, I would do so. This is the fundamental premise of their advertising.
As another example, as a manufacturer, I could call a powerful four-cylinder a "V8 killer" without targeting a specific brand of engine or car. You could get higher power handling in a smaller form factor and achieve the same results. And that's what we have today.
Nothing wrong with the fundamental premise or the advertising. And if it's accurate, it's accurate.
Should add that I have just sold my last 810 since the Barefaced Six 10 does it all easier and better although those extra 2 speakers closer to the ears are still nice.
The SVT 810 killer probably comes from the fact that they are so popular as back line cabs and were the defacto standard for so long.
My Barefaced Big Twin 212 isn't a SVT killer because it sounds like it. Which is good. It sounds better because of the horn. I can pick it up with one hand, fit it in my Honda Accord, and it is just as loud as an 810.
That makes it a killer in my book.
My Barefaced Big Twin 212 isn't a SVT killer because it sounds like it. Which is good. It sounds better because of the horn. I can pick it up with one hand, fit it in my Honda Accord, and it is just as loud as an 810.
That makes it a killer in my book.
Kinda what I was getting from this. Does any Barefaced ad copy actually state it sounds like an SVT, which the OP is implying ?
I've been lusting after a Barefaced for a long time. I play in a loud stoner rock band and really need a one cab solution that isn't an 8X10. I play through a Henry 8X8 in our practice space, which is awesome, but need something for live gigs - mostly smaller venues. We have one drummer and a loud guitarist and I use a lot of effects, mainly distortion and fuzz. I was thinking the super twin, but maybe the big twin should be on my radar...
The Super Compact with my Orange TB500 is shockingly loud. With another cab it’s well....more shocking?
I owned a Super Twin for a bit in a stoner band. It does very well. I eventually upgraded to the Big Twin because it was just more flexible. It feels like the extra dough was worth it.
I'm hanging with BF 12" SC cab, so you 10" users make for a delightful read.
Yeah the gigs where I've had to play ampless, into a huge PA with the CabZone X at the end of the chain with a good 8x10 IR loaded and a slightly growly power amp IR have been enjoyable, pretty much limitless power, and all I have to plug in is the pedal board. Doesn't feel as nice on stage without the speakers behind you, but in terms of convenience and easy load in, it totally kills any Fridge.
Best I can do is compare my BF Super Midget to the Berg 12's I had in the past. My Bergs weighed twice as much, twice as big, handled 1/2 the power(and I blew several speakers), and as good as the Berg sounded it was never really my sound where the BF is. I also can get much more volume out of the BF without it sounding strained like my Berg could get.
As far as the 810 Ampeg/BF comparison just look at what's on paper. The obvious is the weight where there is a 60lb difference. Power handling is 2000 watts for the BF compared to 800 for the Ampeg. And the one spec that really stands out to me is the frequency response of 25hz-6k for the BF compared to 58hz-5k for the Ampeg. That spec alone tells me these are going to be very different sounding cabs. So if someone is doing an A/B expecting these 2 cabs to sound almost identical I would guess that with some EQ one might be able to get the BF to sound similar to Ampeg, but the BF will be a more versatile cab and get tones the Ampeg is not capable of.
As far as the 810 Ampeg/BF comparison just look at what's on paper. The obvious is the weight where there is a 60lb difference. Power handling is 2000 watts for the BF compared to 800 for the Ampeg. And the one spec that really stands out to me is the frequency response of 25hz-6k for the BF compared to 58hz-5k for the Ampeg. That spec alone tells me these are going to be very different sounding cabs. So if someone is doing an A/B expecting these 2 cabs to sound almost identical I would guess that with some EQ one might be able to get the BF to sound similar to Ampeg, but the BF will be a more versatile cab and get tones the Ampeg is not capable of.
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alexclaber
Commercial User
You can have an tweeter as a customisation on any of the 10CR models, we just haven't found the time to tell anyone about that yet. Need to finish the PCB for the Two10ST (4/12 ohm switchable and with a tweeter) but all the rest are happening, Six10T, Four10T, etc.
Ampeg have been making 810 cabs for over 50 years. They don't all sound the same, far from it. The Six10 isn't meant to be some kind of tonal clone but something that fulfils a similar requirement with quite a few practical changes (output, dispersion, size, weight).
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Ya, like I said before, BF makes a great product. But I'm not looking for super lows nor anything above 4 or 5k, and that's half the reason we 810 lovers love them.
Hey Alex, you're right that they don't all sound the same, but they all sound fairly close to the ideal of the original CTS-loaded 810's except for the ones during that dark period of 2000-06, and the Heritage pretty much nails it.
At any rate, the reason you've existed as Barefaced for over 10 years now is that you make a quality product that is different from other stuff, and bassists do like it. But when you use terms like "fridge killer" or "Ampeg killer," that puts expectations in people's minds that it's going to sound like a better Ampeg 810. And it very well might be to some people. But I've never seen it be anything but the kiss of death for those using it, whether they call it an Ampeg killer or a Strat killer or whatever.
Just a little friendly advice from a pal.
LOL! Well nobody's THAT insane! I wouldn't even tote a BF 810 with one hand!There's a video of Alex from Barefaced carrying around a Barefaced 810 with one hand. Try that with your Fridge then let me know how your rotator cuff surgery went
I'm sorry that my original post came off as picking on Barefaced. I only used the example because I got to use one and I just find the term svt/fridge killer annoying because it is so ubiquitous and never seems like an apt comparison. I'm hoping that we can move beyond these comparisons because I liked the cab but found that the tonality of the cab was nothing like an svt810. This happens all the time with claims from users and companies. "My Hartke is an SVT killer". "The little Markbass thing, weighs 1/4 of an SVT and is just as loud". 99.9% of the time the claim either makes no sense or is just not true. I just found that the Barefaced 610 has very little in common sound wise. It is most certainly more convenient and easier to maneuver. But to me, a cab isn't luggage. Sound is the first thing that I care about with a cab.
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Well you're not wrong. It does put expectations in people's minds. But Alex is a good guy trying to fill a void in the marketplace, which he does very well.
I like A-Designs' approach with the REDDI. Peter Montessi calls it more of a tribute to the B-15 head, and though he insinuates you can use it to replace a B-15, you can tell he's a fan and isn't trying to be David challenging Goliath
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alexclaber
Commercial User
The SVT/810 was really the first rig with enough output and a versatile enough tone for most bassists. That's why it's the standard, because it was the first to tick those two critical boxes.
That's always been the case for every single thing I've designed. Adding weight would make them cheaper (simpler construction) but wouldn't make them sound better, quite the opposite in fact.
Makes me wonder. I am always torn between studio and live gig environment. I have yet to see a high class studio monitor aiming to get lighter in weight in order to sound better. If anything, it's quite the opposite. My Neumann KH310 weighs 13kg (28,6 lbs) per unit and it really is among the lightest units in that price range.
Can you please elaborate on this a bit? Not trying to provoke or anything, just a fair question out of curiosity.
