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Baseball season 2007

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#21
No question he had a great year last year. He is still a great pitcher.

2.30 ERA 7-6 with 6 no decisions in 19 starts last year.

A few extra starts this year, but against better hitting AL teams. Granted, he'll get more run support, but the Yankees bullpen seems a little shaky right now - so he may still have a bunch of no-decisions.
 
#23
Philbiker said:
I'm a Washington Nationals fan. Where's the smiley with a bag over my head?
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They have started off slowly. Are they that bad? Is there a plan? I was glad to see baseball return to DC and I want it to thrive; but it is hard when the team is not winning many games.

The Brewers are doing well and it wasn't that long ago that they didn't win too many games. And then Detroit's renaissance is pretty inspiring.
 
#24
Joshua said:
You can have Roger as far as this Yankee fan is concerned, and I said the same thing when the Yanks picked him up the first time. And of course at that point Wells went to the Jays and had a far better year than Clemens!

But speaking only for this time (and in response):

1) Wickedly overpaid. He averaged less than 6 inning per start last year, which does the Yanks no good. He's also a year older, and now back in the AL with the DH. Not a forumla for success in my opinion.

2) Agreed, and it stinks imo. While I certainly admit the Yankees pitching was struggling, it was not yet time to hoist Roger up as a saviour. Heck, we're not even 100% sure he can still pitch!

3) Again, stinks. Of course, I also don't like that he gets to take 1/3 of the season off either.

I dislike the disparity of payroll budgets. I think all the payrolls should be thrown into a pot and divided up equally so that all the teams have the same to work with. Noone would probably go for it, but that's my opinion. I love a good pennant race!

And also, as soon as they sign Clemens, the next few starts go great, at least from a starting pitching perspective.

But I suppose it's better to have him pitch for us than against us.

Selah.
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Interesting, we are more in agreement than apart on this. :eek:

It does shake things up in the AL East and will make the season even more enjoyable to watch.
 
#26
As big of a Red Sox fan as I am, I still think the Yankees will win the AL East this year, and will stand by that statement until they've proven that they can't. If they're still under .500 at the end of May (although, currently, every AL East team is under .500 except the Red Sox), then I may reconsider.

With that said, I don't think Roger Clemens makes a big deal in the standings. If he averaged less than 6 innings per start in the NL Central, how long will he last during games against AL teams with big offenses like the Sox, Jays, and Tigers (and even the Devil Rays at times)? Yes, he'll help their rotation, but he won't be going deep in these games, the bullpen will still get overwokred, and the bullpen will still blow games that should have been won. I've never seen such a big frenzy over someone who's probably not going to be a factor in the season.

xgabriele said:
GO RED SOX


...and btw, Dice-K doesn't throw a Gyro Ball. It is a media myth. He throws a change up with a screw action that breaks more than anybody has ever seen before.
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That change w/ screwball break is called a "shuuto" (sometimes called a "shootball" in english). That's the pitch that was supposedly the gyroball, but some reported screwed it up when Matsuzaka Mania was starting, and now everyone thinks it's the gyroball.

The actual gyroball (which does exist, BTW) actually goes straight, like a fastball (I think it might have a little bit of sinking action, too). The purpose of the pitch is to A) relieve stress on the pitcher's arm (the motion is less stressful than normal pitching), and B) trick the batter into thinking the pitch is a slider so he swings at it like it's a slider and either jams the ball or misses entirely.

So, the gyroball isn't a "media myth." It's just a media screw-up.
 
#27
The Yanks have been one of my teams for quite awhile, but there's something about Roger's "wait for the money" decisions that I don't like. Cano gets $500,000 for busting his ass off all year, day in day out, yet Clemens can make $6mil a month as long as he holds out to see who's desperate and has the cash?

I hope Yanks do badly for once. Change some things up. Baseball gets stale for me when every other day ESPN is showing the Yanks vs the Red Sox vs whomever.
 
#28
Scourge441 said:
That change w/ screwball break is called a "shuuto" (sometimes called a "shootball" in english). That's the pitch that was supposedly the gyroball, but some reported screwed it up when Matsuzaka Mania was starting, and now everyone thinks it's the gyroball.

The actual gyroball (which does exist, BTW) actually goes straight, like a fastball (I think it might have a little bit of sinking action, too). The purpose of the pitch is to A) relieve stress on the pitcher's arm (the motion is less stressful than normal pitching), and B) trick the batter into thinking the pitch is a slider so he swings at it like it's a slider and either jams the ball or misses entirely.

So, the gyroball isn't a "media myth." It's just a media screw-up.
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The "media myth" I was refering to was that Dice-K thows the gyro ball, not that the gyro ball doesn't exist. I understand it is an inaccuracy, but in a way, it really has become a "myth" about Dice-K.
 
#29
Joshua said:
I'll keep this one going solo if I have to...

:D

So all you Yankee haters are awfully quiet out there. Good, then y'all remember 1978 too.

:eyebrow:

And in the "who'd a thunk it?" category, in last night's Yankee - Blue Jay game, a guy stole home. In my 30 odd years of following baseball, I can't remember ever seeing that happen before. Pretty amazing that the guy can go @ 90 feet to the plate before the ball can be thrown 60!
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Sorry, I wasn't born untill 1980. :D

I do remember the 2004 ALCS though...;)
 
#30
Joshua said:
Hehe, while a stupendous crash for sure, it was still only a 7 game series. The Yanks basically came back from a "similar to this year's standing" in less than 2 months.

All the Yanks need is Guidry to make a comeback...

:D
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As a life long Red Sox fan, I am well aware of the history and can never count the Yankees out, but I am very much enjoying this season for what it is worth. :D
 
#32
Man, I gotta say the Mets are sure fun to watch!

They rattled the shizznit out of Benitez last night and got him to not only balk, but balk TWICE in the 12th to put the tying run across the plate. What a great game!

Willie Randolf rocks! Joe Torre is not just a great manager, but one of the best teachers in baseball.
 
#34
So, is it Raja Clemens or Torre & the front office that is too chicken **** to have Clemens face off against the Red Sox this weekend?

Seriously, what is that crap all about, you get him and then don't use against the Red Sox?

Maybe if the Skankees do bad enough they can get the #1 draft pick. :eyebrow:

:D



One day at a time; and so far today is a good day, I didn't have to use my AK today.
 
#37
I'm going to the game at Rogers Center tommorrow (Toronto vs CWS). I think Roy Halladay is making his return, and I think Mark Buerle (spelling?) is pitching for Chicago, so it should be a good game.

Edit: BTW, Aaron Hill's stealing of home plate last night is the best Jays highlight I've seen this year.
 
#38
Didn't mean to have you go solo, Joshua. It is just difficult for me to pile on. In fact, I'll give you some good news - perhaps it is a good omen - the Yankee Clippard is starting for NY tonight. :D

I remember 1978 - Bucky F. Dent :spit: ; but I think that you would agree that this is a different Yankee team and more importantly a different Red Sox team. By that I mean, the Red Sox were pretty much exhausted by August '78 and the Yanks went on a tear for the ages. The Sox are cruising - Terry is not overworking his pitchers - Paps and Okajima are both closing, the starters go deep without running up huge pitch counts. The Sox can lose their best starter for a couple of turns and get wins out of their spot starters and can go without Big Papi for a few games and still score enough runs to win. Schill gives us a scare with a shaky start and comes back and is lights out his next start.

Regarding Roger's first start: the Yanks have their best three starters lined up against the Sox so I can't fault them there. Plus, the Yanks will need to jump over the White Sox for the Wild Card (and the Twins and the Tigers and the Mariners and the A's and the Orioles and the Blue Jays). They would also need to pull away from the Rays who they are in a flat-footed tie.
 
#40
Joshua said:
Quite a "throw-down" last night, with 5 hbp. At least the Yankee pitchers threw back for once!

:D
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Didn't you get the memo?

Proctor did not intentionaly throw at Youk, St. Joe and his sidekick Posada swore on a stack of Bibles that was the case. I agree that they are both lying sacks of poo.

The problem is that Proctor doesn't have enough control to be throwing at anyone. I believe him that he wasn't trying to hit Youk in the head; but to claim that they were throwing at him at all is complete BS.

Right now the best analogy is that of an addict, the sooner the Yankees hit rock bottom (how much lower can they go?); the sooner they can begin the recovery process. I am afraid that there will be more ugliness between then and now.
 
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