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bass amps and "color"

I've noticed a lot of talk about how different bass amp heads "color" the output sound in different ways. I'm used to playing with a power amp and like the way the output is relatively "transparent." Now I'm thinking of getting a micro amp head (used) to use the power amp side only for my practice rig. Do you think that the brand would make any difference? Does the "color" come mainly from the preamp, or does the power amp also produce "color"? Or is it pretty much true that a power amp is a power amp is a power amp?
 
I think you could easily find examples of all three cases - color/character from preamp, power amp and interaction of the two - sometimes perhaps even in the same bass head. Some brands have signature characteristics that are hard to completely dial out. Whether that's good or bad depends what you're looking for.

I suspect that the power amp side of most (not all) heads, assuming you're using the effects in option, will get you close enough to "uncolored or flat" for practicing. As a single data point, the Mesa D-800 power amp section is pretty flat to my ear.
 
No, not all power amps are the same. My advice is to get an amp you like and not worry whether it's coloring your tone or not. It probably is and...

1. More often than not, it's a good thing.

2. All amps have knobs so you can change the tone more to your liking.

I'm going to respectfully disagree, Jimmy, and use your own words of the past as evidence to the contrary. You yourself have stated numerous time that you don't personally care for the Fender amp tone, as opposed to Ampeg's, because it's baked-in midrange scoop can't be adjusted which, BTW, I agree with. In that case, then the OP should first audition several amps, as neutrally set as possible, and decide whether he lines what he hears or not before twitching the knobs.

I know tone controls can make an amp sound different, but I do think there is a certain DNA, no matter how slight, built into most brands, unless it's purposely designed not to be; Matkbass comes to mind.

This is but just one big opinion and your own mileage may vary, which it probably will.
 
These are good points. Let me go back and read the questions in the original post.
Do you think that the brand would make any difference?
I have not compared just the power stage of multiple brands, but it is possible.

Does the "color" come mainly from the preamp, or does the power amp also produce "color"?
Mainly preamps, but some power stages surely must color.

Or is it pretty much true that a power amp is a power amp is a power amp?
I don't see how that could be the case.
 
I've noticed a lot of talk about how different bass amp heads "color" the output sound in different ways. I'm used to playing with a power amp and like the way the output is relatively "transparent." Now I'm thinking of getting a micro amp head (used) to use the power amp side only for my practice rig. Do you think that the brand would make any difference? Does the "color" come mainly from the preamp, or does the power amp also produce "color"? Or is it pretty much true that a power amp is a power amp is a power amp?

Short answer: I don't know, don't use heads that way myself. Take a preamp and try a few out at a shop, through the same cab of course. I suspect there will be small differences. I've never A/B'd power amps that way for that matter. I'm sure there's a difference between a crown and a similar wattage QSC power amp, I'd bet it's pretty small and easy to overcome with EQ though.

I have a child-like understanding of amp building, but there's someone around here that doesn't... do I hear hooves in the distance?

My understanding is that class D power sections are premade commodity items in the case of most mass production bass amps. For instance, I've read the new trace elliott Elf uses the same brand of power section that peavey uses for The minimega. So again, I suspect there are small inherent differences from make to make.
 
Does the "color" come mainly from the preamp, or does the power amp also produce "color"? Or is it pretty much true that a power amp is a power amp is a power amp?

Yes, power amplifiers can also produce color. Tube amps are famous for that, many solid-state amps designed to mimick them.

Basically there are two schools of thought for designing power amplifiers for musical instruments, neither any better than the other. Just different.

First aims into non-coloured re-production of the input signal. You could basically refer to such design as HiFi amplifier, since its goal is producing the sound accurately, without distortion, excessive compression, or equalisation of the signal. What goes in, should come out. Such amplifier typically features moderately high power and headroom, but if its is ovedriven distortion characteristics are typically abrupt and harsh. The typical application is working as a transparent amplifier for external signal sources. If signal colouration is preferred it is introduced externally (e.g. in the preamp).

The other school of design wants to integrate a signal processor and a power amplifying unit. Basically it aims into creating a power amplifier, which deliberately colours the signal in certain way (e.g. sounds like a tube power amp). This colouring can be equalisation effect of running a high output Z amplifier to a reactive speaker load (high and low frequency boost), and/or "designed-in" distortion introducing additional harmonics to the signal, usually due to signal clipping in ovedrive conditions. Headroom may have been deliberately lowered to generate "softer" and more gradual transition to full clipping ovedrive.

Since its a power amplifier unit, it may be beneficial that such effects are moderate, though. For example, a power amp usually is expected to perform somewhat more cleanly than a plain "fuzz" effect. Equalisation and clipping limiting of the signal (with nice timbre of distortion) can be nice musical effects, but not often when dosed too excessively. In addition we may need to ponder the fact that not all these effects fit bass amplification as well as guitar amplification. So even smaller doses may be preferable.

But yes, we do have power amps that are deliberately designed to colour tone. Many solid-state musical instrument amplifiers are designed to feature high output impedance and we see a growing trend of soft clipping or tube emulation architectures being added to musical instrument power amps. Peavey, Hughes&Kettner, TubeWorks, Ampeg/Crate, Quilter, Line 6, etc. List is long if you count solid-state amps of all type.

I don't really know about class-D -based units though, but at least Quilter amps feature deliberate tube amp emulation integrated to the power amp section. There's an important catch: "Tube emulation" of Quilter's is independent of what class the amplifier works in. It takes any transparent power amplifier (a class-D module fits the job perfectly) and then adds external circuitry around that building block, which in turn colours the signal. Any amp design can do this, so its kinda pointless to try to evaluate performance of an unknown amplifier based only in knowing in what class the amp operates in. But I guess the point is to say that designing a class-D amp that colours the signal is just as trivial as designing any other amplifier to colour it. Class is not a limitation.

This not even dwelling into specific architectures of different class-D circuits or predesigned gate driver chips in general. For example, how will the circuitry handle over modulation? There are designs that hard clip nastily, and then there are designs, which go to nice soft clipping mode. All this covered by class-D category, as it is so broad. If we start to evaluate "colour" of an amplifier we quickly find out that not all class-D amps and modules sound alike.
 
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I got a Quilter bass block 800 and so far it's the most transparent thing I've ever heard in the sense that it sounds like whatever you plug in to it. Despite the contour knobs, it truly lets the characteristics of the instrument shine through at any setting.
 
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I know my Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 has a pretty "baked in" tone. Once I learned how to use the preamp, I find I like it and it sounds great in a mix. I've tried other amps and I notice that they all sound pretty different, ven though many use the same "ICEPower" amp section. I guess it's worth it to try as many as you can before buying. I'm not sure if the answers your question, but it's my 2 cents worth.