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Bass Amps not from China

I've had a Mesa/Boogie for a long time, but it conked out and I wanted to buy a cheap backup...you know, for when I have to ship the amp back to Mesa and wait around for 3-4 weeks. So I start looking at 200-300 watt amps heads, preferably with an FX loop or power amp in.

Ampeg Micro VT: Made in China
Trace ELF: Made in China
Peavey: Made in China
GK MB200: have been made in China, can't tell about the new ones

Anybody have any insight on newer amps made anywhere but China?

Very few of the new amps are worth it, even amongst the pricier ones. The used amp way is your way. Try some of the Warwick amp heads from the 2000's, German made, incredibly solid. And mad cheap because for some reason people do not buy them. I have a Tubepath 10.1 that I bought for 500 € and it kicks butt of almost anything made today.

Your options are:
1. Warwick ProFet, multiple variants
2. Warwick Quad IV
3. Warwick ProTube IV
4. Warwick Tubepath 5.1 (is big and heavy tho)

Out of all these, the ProFets are the cheapest, smallest and lightest.
 
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I've had a Mesa/Boogie for a long time, but it conked out and I wanted to buy a cheap backup...you know, for when I have to ship the amp back to Mesa and wait around for 3-4 weeks. So I start looking at 200-300 watt amps heads, preferably with an FX loop or power amp in.

Ampeg Micro VT: Made in China
Trace ELF: Made in China
Peavey: Made in China
GK MB200: have been made in China, can't tell about the new ones

Anybody have any insight on newer amps made anywhere but China?


Traynor Amps
 
Even if an amp is assembled elsewhere, most if not all of the electronic components inside it came from China. So even "made in the US" amps are really assembled in the US from Chinese parts. 99% of all electronic components are made there. All amps are made in China but some are more made in China than others. :D

Quite a lot of electronic components are made in Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan, and South Korea. I don't know what percentage versus China, but I'm willing to bet that 99% of the electronics we come across here are not made in China. Most of the electronics China produces are also consumed by China.
 
Politics aside (not going to touch that) what's the big deal about gear made in China? Some of the most expensive classical musical instruments yada yada yada

I intentionally did not specify my motivations because far too many people try to convince you to change your motivations rather than responding to the topic. In other words, the thread becomes about the OP and his/her motivations rather than sticking to the subject. I want to avoid that. This is about origin of gear, not me.
 
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one reason to go american, specifically small builders is because they will talk to you personally. want to help. most insist you call them personally.

here's a few examples of my gear:
Acoustic Image - rick jones = great guy and customer support
MAS - mike arnopol - the best cabinets/great guy/resource here on TB
Upton Bass - both my uprights came from there shop - one made, one used old plywood - always ready to help
RevSound - just got a replacement driver from david luke personally last week and it came in 3 days - i already soldered back in and rocking!
Tom Clement Bass - we had an e-mail chain 50+ emails long from him making sure my build was just what i wanted
Josh Broughton - made me a custom HPF/LPF/mute/DI to my specs
Duke o Rock - built me a Crazy88 cab i used for may years
I also have a Musikraft neck on one bass and a warmoth neck on another - both made in america
...and nordstrand pickups...also great guys to work with!

so quality by country debate aside - there are great guys (many here on TB) who are american builders that i would rather give my money to over larger corporations where you problems are much easier to "fall through the cracks" of their huge operation.
 
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I already bought a used GK. My original post only asked about the "Made in ____" notation on the gear, not whether X number of components were made in China for assembly elsewhere or the evolving meaning of "Made In". That may be a right and fine discussion to have on Quora or some other site, but not Talkbass.

I always like it when a thread turns into people arguing about "what op should have asked"
 
There's no need to be sorry, but the big smile, yes!!

They may not look "good", they may not be "trendy", but Traynor is reliable and solid, and especially cheap. To me it's a no brainer.
Oops, sorry.

The first amp I played through was my high school's 50 watt YBA combo. That was in the early 80s and it was considered ancient then, even though by today's standards it wasn't - I remember it was loud and very heavy. My next one was a small Traynor Bloc 40B combo around the mid 1980s that I used exclusively until about 2007 when I finally killed something inside it. I used that playing metal with a drummer and two guitar players all though high school, school bands, two years of jazz at university, a gigging country band, a couple of rock bands, a gigging celtic and rock group for about four years, and countless jam sessions. I think I blew the speaker, but after replacing it blew the new one, so the problem was probably something else, but after 23 or so years it didn't owe me a dime so I let him die. I've owned a few other Yorkville and Tranor combos and cabinets since, and I just recently sold a YBA-200.

What I've learned about Traynor bass amps is:
1) LOTS of clean headroom
2) not a lot of tonal colouring, pretty flat EQ
3) virtually indestructible, like seriously
4) tubes or solid state, they're much louder than I'd expect from anything else with the same power rating
5) inexpensive compared to pretty much anything else on the market, which I think is why they are so often overlooked or taken for granted.

Here in Canada, they have a sort of pedestrian branding, because they're so ubiquitous - everyone has owned one and you seem them everywhere. The used market here is flooded with them and their new prices are much much less than Ampeg or Fender or GK or for sure Mesa Boogie. Growing up in the 80s, they seemed to have had much the same emotional response from musicians as Peaveys did, they occupied pretty much the same place in the hierarchy with a lot of the same reputation for being indestructible, clean, and loud, but at the same time people seemed to me to feel a bit embarrassed that they weren't using something more famous, like Ampeg, Fender, Marshall, or whatever, so if you asked someone what kind of amp they had, they might reply with "oh, just a Traynor, for now anyway."

Having said that, aside from our many awesome big name bands that are relatively unknown outside of Canada**, Traynor amps are our #1 best kept music industry secret. Why as a country do we perpetuate anonymity and apologize for our best stuff??


**(like Tragically Hip, Northern Pikes, Blue Rodeo, Great Big Sea, Loverboy, April Wine, Kim Mitchell, Max Webster, Saga, Prism, David Wilcox, Sam Roberts, July Talk, The Tea Party, I Mother Earth, Bruce Cockburn, or Big Sugar to name a few - though some made it out to the world stage: I'm looking at you, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Rush, the Guess Who, Joni Mitchell, and Celine Dion - all of whom have *for sure* owned a Traynor amp at some point)
 
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**(like Tragically Hip, Northern Pikes, Blue Rodeo, Great Big Sea, Loverboy, April Wine, Kim Mitchell, Max Webster, Saga, Prism, David Wilcox, Sam Roberts, July Talk, The Tea Party, I Mother Earth, Bruce Cockburn, or Big Sugar to name a few - though some made it out to the world stage: I'm looking at you, Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Rush, the Guess Who, Joni Mitchell, and Celine Dion - all of whom have *for sure* owned a Traynor amp at some point)
I don't think he owned a Traynor amp, maybe though :)
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