Bass D.I with amp SIM for live gigs?

[dadodetres]

Hello!
Im involved in several local bands with frequent concerts from 80 to 800 people attendance.

On thing I notices is that almost every time the Bass goes with a D.I to the mixing board and the bass amp is used on the stage just for the band`s monitoring (and the first rows of the audience get to hear it.

Bassist usually play from clean to Drive to distortion, and those harmonics sound really bad if they dont go through an Amp/Speaker.

I tried several guitar Amp simulators in pedal format, and they do the job of tammeing the distortion, but also remove the Sub frequencies, even for the guitar is noticeable.

I wonder if there is any D.I pedal with an Amp/Speaker Simulator just for that Live Concert situation, that doesn't remove low end?

Also, Im not looking for any pedal with lots of features, nor Distortion, I want the bassist to deal their own sound, and this box be just a D.I without the "Distortion-via Line" sound. The simplest the better.

Thanks !
(im double posting in the Live sub forum also, since both sub forums have to do with the topic)

 

[Dlew919]

I have three. A behringer which is a clone of a sansamp. A zoom and a boss gt1. They’re all great. I think it’s the guys I work with. They all want me through an amp. I much prefer going through a pa. It sounds much better through the pa.

 

[Azari]

This:

 

[mcrawfordmusic]

I suggest starting with the O.G - The Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI. This was the first bass pedal (to my knowledge) that claimed to be an "amp in a box" and is designed to do exactly what you need.

 

[Azari]

I suggest starting with the O.G - The Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI. This was the first bass pedal (to my knowledge) that claimed to be an "amp in a box" and is designed to do exactly what you need.

I’ve used it at every gig I’ve ever played. Sound guys like them too.

 

[Pulverizor]

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[mcrawfordmusic]

I’ve used it at every gig I’ve ever played. Sound guys like them too.

Yep, they are built like a tank and every sound guy knows what they are and that they work. Some can be hesitant with newer gear they're not familiar with

 

[ga_edwards]

A low pass filter (lpf), aka high cut filter, set to around 5-6khz can tame the high end pull the bass into typical 'bass cab' territory. Depending on the FOH mixing desk, this may be an easy fix.

 

[JesterR]

Tech 21 Sansamp family (Bassdriver, Paradriver, VT Bass). Or Chinese rip-offs.
Origin Effects Bassrig
Darkglass Microtubes
Ampeg SGT-DI

 

[burgerdj]

+1 on the Sansamp. It’s made for the situation you describe and is an industry standard. I’ve run the Programmable version for years and it does a great job of adding character to the FOH signal. There are a lot options out there…you may want to check out the Genzler Pre/DI too. It’s next on my list.

 

[michael_t]

This:
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Tech 21 Sansamp family (Bassdriver, Paradriver, VT Bass).

I use four of the Tech 21 variety, ie BDDI v.2, VT Bass DI, Para Driver or Q\Strip, depending on where I'm playing.

I also use the BOSS TU-3 tuner and the EBS MultiComp.

 

[Zbysek]

I use four of the Tech 21 variety, ie BDDI v.2, VT Bass DI, Para Driver or Q\Strip, depending on where I'm playing.

I also use the BOSS TU-3 tuner and the EBS MultiComp.

How do you like the Paradriver? How does it compare to BDDI and VTDI? What do you use it for?

THX

 

[michael_t]

How do you like the Paradriver? How does it compare to BDDI and VTDI? What do you use it for?

One feature I like is the sweepable MID control. The Rumble Filter also seems to help tame the low end by keeping it from being too boomy. One of the smaller church campuses I regularly play at happens to have one as part of their stage setup. Seems to work well with a lighter band setup with just acoustic guitar, keyboard, (sometimes) drums, plus one or two vocalists.

I use either the BDDI v.2 or the VTB with a full band setup with electric guitar and synth added, plus 3-4 vocalists.

 

[himluis1]

this is what I use
zoom b1 four with a noise reducer , some eq … got more options but mainly for that and a DI

 

[Bag of Lazers]

Just a note for OP and the rest of us: Any time you are looking for a gear recommendation, please list your budget range. Yes, the Sansamp is the standard answer to this question and for good reason. But if OP's budget is tight (and we've all had that experience) leaving a Sansamp out of budget range, we can recommend the clones like the Dr J Sparrow or Behringer's BDI21. If he's got plenty of cash the Origin Bass Rigs, DSM Bass Simplifier, etc are great options.

 

[DeltaPhoenix]

There is the newer Neural DSP Nano Cortex and it handles your use case (it has balanced outs but you need an adapter cable for standard D.I out).

 

[Azari]

Just a note for OP and the rest of us: Any time you are looking for a gear recommendation, please list your budget range. Yes, the Sansamp is the standard answer to this question and for good reason. But if OP's budget is tight (and we've all had that experience) leaving a Sansamp out of budget range, we can recommend the clones like the Dr J Sparrow or Behringer's BDI21. If he's got plenty of cash the Origin Bass Rigs, DSM Bass Simplifier, etc are great options.

You can find the older bass drivers for under 200 dollars pretty easily on reverb. Thats what I use. If you have some patience and look consistently, there are some good deals to be had.

https://reverb.com/item/84769465-tech-21-sansamp-bass-driver-d-i-2000s-black

 

[NorthTexasBass]

Two Notes ReVolt and Opus both do this well. I actually use both, but either one works well as a standalone.

 

[paskisti]

Tech 21 Sansamp family (Bassdriver, Paradriver, VT Bass). Or Chinese rip-offs.
Origin Effects Bassrig
Darkglass Microtubes
Ampeg SGT-DI

At least B7K can be harsh in top end, because there is no cab sim (except in Ultra model DI out has one). Top end can be tamed with treble control quite well when used overdrive high enough.

 

[klyph]

The way your question is worded makes me think you are a sound guy, not a bassist. Why not just mic the bassists’ cabinet with a dynamic mic and mix that channel with a DI taken before the amp?