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Bass Features: Top Ten Personal Turn-Offs

I think most of us tend to assemble a "short list" of instruments that fit our basic criteria of how a bass ought to be configured, both functionally and aesthetically.

What are the top ten design attributes that cause you to reject an instrument as unsuitable for inclusion onto your personal short list?

I'm not talking about intrinsically good or bad here. I'm referring to personal preferences in style and ergonomics that make you either stop and take a closer look, or move on.

Here's my list, in no particular order:

1) Poor truss rod access. I like my action set low, so I need precise control over neck relief. If it's a PITA to adjust, I'm not interested.

2) Opaque paint. If the wood is good enough to be made into a fine instrument, it outta be good enough to look at. I don't trust the quality of wood I can't see, and vastly prefer the appearance of natural wood grain; even plain ol' alder or mahogany.

3) Less than 24 frets or stops. Preferably more. My two fretless basses have 36 and 28 stops, respectively, and occasionally they come in handy.

4) Non-quick-release bridges. What a pain in the butt. I need the ability to quickly and easily remove and replace the strings for cleaning and swapping different sets.

5) "Classic" (Fender/Gibson/etc.) slab body and headstock designs. Nothing wrong with em, though, in my experience, they tend to run heavy and they're a little rough in the ergonomics department - particularly those big blocky heels - but they just don't inspire me.

6) Excessive weight. Nothing over 9 1/2 pounds (and preferably under 9) will do. I once owned a fretless MM Stingray V and that sucker was one miserable 10 1/2+ pound boat anchor on long jobs.

7) Less than five strings. Preferably six. I haven't owned a 4-string in almost thirty years, and I doubt that I ever will again.

8) String trees. They just bug me. I prefer tilt-back headstocks, both aesthetically and to achieve a good breaking angle over the nut. String trees look like an afterthought or design shortcut to me (but I'm sure they work just fine).

9) Pickguards. I never use a pick, and I don't care for the the appearance of a big slab of plastic covering up the wood.

10) Short upper horns. They throw off the balance, and, to my eye at least, they usually lack the graceful flowing appearance of a long upper horn.
 
I may be the only person in the world who feels this way, but I hate an instrument that when left plugged in, the battery dies. Thus, I don't like active electronics. I don't need the batteries, wiring, knobs, complexity or any of the other pains that come along with onboard preamps, particularly when I can accomplish the same thing with a piece of gear (or multiples) in my rack. One with lots of labeled, easy to use knobs, that's lit up so I can see it, and that plugs into the wall. :ninja:
 
HI

Here are a few

Poor truss rod access
Passive basses
3 band preamps or pre's with toggles and cluttered controls
most basses that arent 4 strings
neck through basses
input jack on the face of the bass
basses from the factory without straploks
any bass over 8.5lbs

Rob
 
1. Preamps that aren't bypassable.
2. Fancy pickguards.
3. Solid colored basses without pickguards.
4. Side mounted jacks.
5. Bridges that slip.
6. Cheap hardware.
7. Fake vintage tints.
8. Huge frets.
9. Strap button on rear of bass.
10. Bassists that complain ;)
 
I may be the only person in the world who feels this way, but I hate an instrument that when left plugged in, the battery dies. Thus, I don't like active electronics. I don't need the batteries, wiring, knobs, complexity or any of the other pains that come along with onboard preamps, particularly when I can accomplish the same thing with a piece of gear (or multiples) in my rack. One with lots of labeled, easy to use knobs, that's lit up so I can see it, and that plugs into the wall. :ninja:

+10. I couldn't agree more. The battery is the only thing I can think of that immediately turns me off. I have two active basses that I hate, not only because they sound bad but because batteries are a pain in the butt. I learned my lesson. Give me a tone knob and I'll let my equipment do the rest.
 
The ones that really bother me are bolded.

1. Top loading bridges. I hate them, what an annoyance.

2. Basses with less than twenty-one frets. The reason I don't own a Fender.

3. More than six strings (usually I dislike any more than four). Call me ignorant if you must, but I've never found a use for five or more (not including eight and twelve string bass strung in courses).

4. Big chunky necks.

5. Plastic control knobs. Just a pet peeve of mine. I much prefer metal, or failing that, wood.

6. Crappy battery doors. This is a big one. I can't stand the ones with the two screws, or when the battery is inside the control cavity. If a battery dies on a gig, I don't have time to pull out a screwdriver.

7. Truss rods that aren't like MM trussrods. I know that's not really fair, but it's true for me.

8. Gloss necks. I can't imagine how anyone could enjoy playing on such stickiness.

9. Big block heel joints on bolt-ons. Uncomfortable in the high registers. Sculpted heels FTW.

10. Volume/Volume on two pickup basses. Volume/Blend is far superior.

That's all I could think of.

Graeme
 
personal bass turnoffs...

1) Painted necks...feels YIK!

2) Poor trussrod access...it's a PAIN!

3) "plastic" feeling necks...tune basses, and some warwicks come to mind.

4) excessive neck dive...why they build some basses to head straight for the floor escapes me. :confused:

5) sharp fret ends...common on cheap basses (i should know)...time to break out the sandpaper (ahhh...that's better)

6) linear pots on volume knobs...WHY DO THEY DO THAT???

7) elaborate switching jacks for active basses...my carvin's jack has a built in switch that can be tempermental...huh?...why not just use a stereo jack like
everyone else?

8) ugly demonic symbol inlays on necks...why????...doesn't look cool to me. Ok? just give me a simple dot, or plain board, thanks

9) Fretboard binding...what's the point of this? tell me, please

10) Weird pointy shaped basses...BC Rich, Dean, and ESP...you can keep your "metal" basses
 
HI

I disagree, Scott. For me, a knob at my fingertips is much more useful to me than one on my amp or on a box on the floor when you are trying to lie down a groove during a show. Batteries? I change them about twice a year, no biggie. If they died every week, I'd have a different opinion but they dont. Also, if you havent found a good sounding active bass, keep trying them. They are out there and many sound spectacular

Rob
 
HI

I disagree, Scott. For me, a knob at my fingertips is much more useful to me than one on my amp or on a box on the floor when you are trying to lie down a groove during a show. Batteries? I change them about twice a year, no biggie. If they died every week, I'd have a different opinion but they dont. Also, if you havent found a good sounding active bass, keep trying them. They are out there and many sound spectacular

Rob
I agree. The ability to change tones anywhere on stage is too important to me to worry about the cost of batteries. Besides, I probably spend out twenty bucks on batteries per year, which is pennies a day.

Graeme
 
I may be the only person in the world who feels this way, but I hate an instrument that when left plugged in, the battery dies. Thus, I don't like active electronics. I don't need the batteries, wiring, knobs, complexity or any of the other pains that come along with onboard preamps, particularly when I can accomplish the same thing with a piece of gear (or multiples) in my rack. One with lots of labeled, easy to use knobs, that's lit up so I can see it, and that plugs into the wall. :ninja:
With you here, dude. I will never own another bass that requires a battery. What a hassle... especially when you can just turn up the amp a little louder / use its controls.

I also strongly dislike any of those flame jobbies.

Others..

- clover leaf tuners
- non fender style headstocks
- gold hardware
- anything more than 4 strings
- roundwounds
 
With you here, dude. I will never own another bass that requires a battery. What a hassle... especially when you can just turn up the amp a little louder / use its controls.

I also strongly dislike any of those flame jobbies.

Others..

- clover leaf tuners
- non fender style headstocks
- gold hardware
- anything more than 4 strings
- roundwounds
I've never fully understood why so many people dislike gold hardware. IMO, it looks classy.

Is it that it tends to tarnish easily? (because frankly, that's what I like about gold hardware :eek:)

Graeme
 
what do pickguards actually do? who the hell strums that hard to the point where it would actually hit the bass itsself? just never understood it....

1. no headstock - its so beyond ugly i dont know what really to say

2. basses with more then 6 strings - if u want more strings play guitar

3. Soap Bar Pickups - they just feel arkward when u rest your thumb on em

4. Less then 3 EQ knobs - i like having alot of knobs and gadgets o.O

5. String Thru Body - just dont like it

6. Tort Pickguard - i will admit it looks nice on black basses, but other then that its ugly

7. Using less than 2mm picks - hate them...just hate em...not like i use picks that much anywayz though

8. Different colored hardware - i've seen some basses (user modified may i add) that have gold knobs, black bridge, and silver tuner..just yuck

9. Basses without Inlays on 3 5 7 9 12 ect - when i sit down i tend to use them to guide me a little bit, but i hate on warwicks how they dont have them, it looks great but i i dislike it

10. cant think of any more
 
1. Pick-up placement that interferes with playing. MM Bongos come to mind.
2. Tight string spacing.
3. Fake finishes (fake quilts, etc.)
4. Neck-diving instruments
5. Instruments with necks that are too large to be comfortable (my Legend 6 comes to mind)
6. Any pictures designs representing female faces/figures :rollno: (except of course, the shape of the instrument itself)
7. Nasal tone that cannot be dialed out (not really a design thing, but...)
8. "Metal God" body shapes (Iceman, Thunderbird, etc.)
9. Gaudy inlays
10. Bursts that don't transition smoothly
 
1. Non-fivers. After all these years I've decided 5 strings are "just right" for me.

2a. Narrow string spacing at nut and/or bridge. I prefer the same string spacing as a four-string Fender but with one more string added proportionally: 19mm bridge spacing, 1-7/8" width at nut.

2b. Skinny "slim-fast" neck profiles: don't want my bass to have a runway model neck. She doesn't have to be chunky, but I gotta have some meat on the bone.

3. Inlaid Straploks. Whatcha gonna do if you misplace the locked strap?? Full disclosure: I owned a Warwick Streamer Stage I for awhile (great bass) and never had that problem, but jeez, I've done stupid things before.

4. Short upper horn. I hate neck dive too.

5. Nasty fret ends. I don't demand rolled fingerboard edges, but I do want nicely beveled fret ends. Even better: rounded fret ends.

6. Clearcoat. I don't mind transparent... just give me some color, please.

7. No "middle" pickup. Gotta have a bass with a pickup somewhere in the Stingray/P-bass range. J-style placement qualifies (the neck pup, anyway).

8. Excessive bling. This might sound funny coming from a guy who plays purple hot rod flames, but I don't care for basses that have binding, block inlays, gold hardware, tons of laminates and accent stripes. In general that stuff can be OK when used in moderation... except block inlays.

9. Another vote for non-quick release bridges. Definitely a pain.

10. Teeny tiny tuners. The Fender cloverleaf (aka "elephant ear") works great for me, whether it's on a modern Hipshot Ultralight or vintage Kluson sprocket.

11 (sorry, I'm cheating): a bridge toward the middle of the body. That was true for a Spector NS2 I once owned... it's also true for radical pointy basses like T-birds and Flying V's. I know, middle placement allows easy access to 24 frets. But I had to reach an extra inch or two farther out to access the lowest frets... and those are the ones I actually use. :p
 
Hmmm...

1. Anything made by Gibson: I have never liked their body shapes; I feel that they are just guitars made into uncomfortable basses.

2. More than 4 strings: Call me traditional. I've just never really caught on to the idea of needing to play all the way down to Xb.

3. Active preamps with passive pickups: In my experience you get much more noise than passive/passive or active/active.

4. XL scale necks: If my arms were longer, maybe having a 35" scale would work for me.

5. The color green: Nope, never liked that color on a bass.

6. A one-piece neck-thru neck: In my experience these necks always have bowing and twisting problems.

7. Lousy access to the truss rod adjustment area: Enough said.

8. A bass with a "repaired crack" in the neck: I know that many luthiers tell us that the glues used to repair cracks can make a bass even stronger than before it was cracked; I just don't trust broken grain.

9. Fingerboard level too close to top-of-body level: it can make slapping kind of hard if you can't get your finger in between the body and string easily.

10. Anthing with a Fender/Fishman preamp in it: Talk about noisey!
 
+10. I couldn't agree more. The battery is the only thing I can think of that immediately turns me off. I have two active basses that I hate, not only because they sound bad but because batteries are a pain in the butt. I learned my lesson. Give me a tone knob and I'll let my equipment do the rest.

I don't mind batteries, but I do mind removing a zillion screws to open the compartment on stage. The Stringray has the perfect solution to this. No screws, no muss, no fuss. Having said that, it would also be great to see more manufacturers do Active/Passive systems. Yamaha did it on the BB2000S 20 years ago. How complicated could it be?
 
HI

Yea, Graeme and nothing personal Scott. Just my dumb opinon. Sorry for the derail guys. Back to the thread and I promise not to post off topic next time

Rob

I thought it was completely on topic, and I certainly didn't take it personally. I can get all the different tones I want or need with the knob of the same name. Once you get to having three bands of boost/cut, you aren't going to be messing with it in the middle of playing. I've never been in a situation where I've had to try to re-eq in the middle of a song. I'd rather be able to change patches with a pedal-controlled preamp in my rack. It's simply a matter of taste and experience. Your post might actually make me try an active setup again someday (but maybe not) :)
 

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