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Bass recording - what's your chain??

I'm still throwing all kinds of gadgets at getting the bass tone I'm looking for and I'm getting close. But something is still missing.

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Jazz bass --> FMR RNP -->Behringer compressor (lightly compressed) -->Echo Mia Soundcard to Sonar 6. I then use the Ampeg Pluggin, EQing and more compressing, if needed.

I've been struggling with this for a long time and I think the difficulty is partly getting the tone and dynamics right on the bass itself and partly how it sits in the mix. I've never been really happy just going from the bass directly into a DI or a preamp, but I've only tried a handful of preamps. The FMR is a great bang per buck pre and I should probably pick one up and check it out.

I think you'd probably like the sound of an upscale compressor more than the Berringer and I'm not one of those people that is down on Berringer, but I like the sound of high quality tube compressors on bass. That's not a pro-tube bias of mine, per se. I also like some solid state compressors, for example the Focusrite Compounder is one that has a huge range of tweakability for bass and kick because it has a built in low frequency side chain. You can use that to tailor the tone and attack for the bass itself or the dynamics of the performance. I bought my compounder used and got a steal at ~200 bucks. I don't think Focusrite makes them anymore but they had a street price of about $600. It's a stereo compressor so I've run DI into one channel and a mic on the cabinet into the other, then did a phase adjustment in Cubase during mixdown.

I've got a buss compressor made by A Designs that also has a built in side chain and it's more tweakable than the Compounder and has a tube. It's pretty awesome on bass and is fairly transparent up to about 12 dB of compression. but it cost over $2K and it's not the kind of thing I'm going to lug around to gigs that I'm recording live.

So I tend to take a DI out off of the amp head if it's available plus run a mic or two and then try to get them to play nice together while mixing. I just bought a plug-in sold by Universal Audio that's called the Little Labs IBP:

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It's for phase alignment and I've only piddled with it a little. My plan is to double or triple my tracks and put the IBP on each track and mess around with EQ on each and maybe try some automation on the EQ and the IBP delay. It's a black hole for time and probably a wild goose chase, but that's the way life goes.

I keep trying different mics for bass cabs and currently I'm using an AKG P2 and it's a mixed bag. It just doesn't capture the weight of the bass. I've also used an AKG D112 quite a bit, an Audix D6, and I think they mess with the EQ too much. I've also tried a bunch of different condensors and some ribbons (sitting behind a pop filter).

I like having the mic'ed signal down a few dB in the mix relative to the DI. I recently picked up a Universal Audio LA-610 M2, which is a tube channel strip. I'm happy with it on guitar but have not tried it on bass. Still looking for magic bullets. One thing that has worked pretty good is to put the cab out in our garage and mic it up with a reflexion filter right behind the mic, then a few gobos about 6' in back of the mic. That way, you get alot of low frequency punch and the reflexion filter kills alot of the room vibration and rattles caused by the cab kicking out 110+ dB of thunder.
 
LOL. I posted awhile ago in this thread and my chain has changed considerably.


Track 1: Warwick Corvette $$ -> Ampeg SVP-BSP (clean out) -> MOTU 8Pre -> Ableton Live (clean)

Track 2: Warwick Corvette $$ -> Ampeg SVP-BSP -> FX LOOP (dirty out) -> MOTU 8Pre -> Ableton Live (dirty)

Track 3: (optional) SHURE SM-58 in front of cab -> MOTU 8Pre -> Ableton Live (mic)

I can also run this configuration live if I want to.

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my chain lately has been bass > vt deluxe > soundcard, and i do the rest of my processing with plugins, or i'll occasionally add an effect pedal or 5. i occasionally will mic a b-15, but the vt and vtd have made me lazy about that.
 
LOL. I posted awhile ago in this thread and my chain has changed considerably.


Track 1: Warwick Corvette $$ -> Ampeg SVP-BSP (clean out) -> MOTU 8Pre -> Ableton Live (clean)

Track 2: Warwick Corvette $$ -> Ampeg SVP-BSP -> FX LOOP (dirty out) -> MOTU 8Pre -> Ableton Live (dirty)

Track 3: (optional) SHURE SM-58 in front of cab -> MOTU 8Pre -> Ableton Live (mic)

I can also run this configuration live if I want to.

I've never run an SM58 on a bass cab. Did you select it for midrange and attack? What do you like about it on a bass cab? Do you use the DBX shown in the live rig on your bass? I used to have a bunch of the 266's that I used on the PA and I've sold most of them off to fund compressors with sidechain capability. I really like the flexibility it gives for kick and bass. I'm becoming a compressor and preamp snob and that's like spiraling into a black hole where all your money becomes collapsed matter.
 
I've never run an SM58 on a bass cab. Did you select it for midrange and attack? What do you like about it on a bass cab? Do you use the DBX shown in the live rig on your bass? I used to have a bunch of the 266's that I used on the PA and I've sold most of them off to fund compressors with sidechain capability. I really like the flexibility it gives for kick and bass. I'm becoming a compressor and preamp snob and that's like spiraling into a black hole where all your money becomes collapsed matter.

The SVP-BSP is actually a split channel amp. The 266 is a dual channel compressor and I used to run it through both my channels. I have also used it on our PA system too. I don't run a compressor anymore. Actually that and the SWR head are just kind of extra toys that I have at my disposal. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if it's and SM58 or an SM57 that I have on my cab. Either way, I didn't do anything with it other than hook it up and put it a few feet away from my cab. I totally just use it as supplemental sound because I have two lines out from my preamp already.
 
Jazz bass > Pacifica DI > MOTU 828 mkII > Sonar or
Jazz bass > UA 710 DI > MOTU 828 mkII > Sonar

Excellent! I'm about to try placing a Boss compressor before the preamp...
...I often process later in the box, Compression and sometimes EQ- low pass and high pass filters.
 
At work a black stripe svt into an 8x10 with a U5 as a DI, the cab is miced with a fet47 and both go into Neve 1081 style pres, into an 1176/tube tech CL1a/Chiswick Reach VK1 (if it needs it) then finally into a PT HD 192.

It also picks up quite a bit of mojo from the Neve desks monitor path as well, if I'm mixing in studio 1.

At home its a mesa 400+ and a radial ProDI into an Amek Purepath (stereo) into a Metric Halo interface. Then plug in compression, normally the Abbey Road RS124 or some kind of 1176.

Generally, I've been happier with my home setup! Though I think thats mainly down to the SVT at work needing a re tube and proper sort out, not to mention the aging 8x10 needing a bit of attention for the odd rattle. The neve pre's sound incredible, I'd gladly take a few of those home if they weren't attached firmly to the desk :( ditto the fet47, probably my favourite mic along with a coles 4038!
 
Bass > effects pedals (sometimes) > vintage Hiwatt DR103 amp > cab (varies...Orange, Genz Benz, Ampeg, Kustom, Aguilar) > Sennheiser e906 mic (frequency switch on lows or mids) > MBox2 or Digi 002 analog to digital converter > USB or Firewire to computer sound card.

I've tried some DI setups, but it hasn't worked for my taste since I like to have the dynamics and controlled feedback that comes with the interaction between the bass pickups + speakers with a tube amp.
 
My usual DI recording chain:
- Custom Fender Jazz V's, Spector 6's (all w/Bartolini P/Us & NTMB 4.2 preamps)
- SWR Grand Prix preamp
- DBX 160a compressor (in the pre's FX loop, for a bit of limiting)
- Radial JDI

...and if broader room or cab sound/ambience is needed:
- AKG D112, close-miking either a Goliath III, SVT 8x10, or B15.
- Maybe a 57 on-axis for grunt/heft too
- Maybe a U47 in the room too for air/environmental schmooze
- Have had unexpectedly good luck with a modded Oktava 219 up semi-close too (and they're hella cheap!)

Great thread, btw- I'll be experimenting w/a few of these chains ASAP, currently a bit more complacent/settled with my 'regular' setup above than I'd prefer - although it's definitely been solid, quiet and dependable for over a decade.
 
some sort of bass,, bayou cables, sonic maximizer, amp, cab

when possible I'd go direct on one track and live on another track but sometimes I'd move the mic further back in the room on the live one and then when done mix/balance the two together,,,, no effects really but it sounded pretty cool.
 
Since you are seeking a sound and tone mix that exists in your own mind, nobody else can really come up trumps - unless they are formidable mind-readers! Trial & error and process of elimination may bring out that something extra. Each brand, model and type of strings make their stamp on a sound. Then amplification or D.I. and sound effects increase the infinite number of possibilities for creating a special sound.
I have a Rickenbacker stereo bass which I can D.I. into the Behringer mixer or the Fostex MR 16 but I can route it through the Yamaha FX 550 which has a choice of Bass effects to select and you can micro adjust these OR create some of your own.
All this is time-consuming and many musicians cannot justify spending hours setting up sounds which will only last a few minutes; a conversation with a keyboard player recently. Technology is awesome nowadays but it has its drawbacks. An Army Captain, M.D. of Army band has a degree in music but when Army days are done, a degree in sound technology/engineering will be more in demand.
O.K.I bought a Rick stereo bass in 1973 and built Tonehenge Stereo Rig (on my website)
Escutcheon Media - Home and I was running ahead of time then, but I loved to produce a sound with just Danelectro bass and a Selmer Treble'n'Bass amp and 2 x 15" Celestion speakers. Simple, direct and effective.