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Bass Weight

I get that heavier basses and longer gigs aren't the best combination...can you imagine doing a 4hr set with a T-40... but does the weight of the instrument effect anything other than the comfort of the player? About 5yrs ago I started using Jazz basses instead of my favorite Stingray 5 with a wedding band I've played in for years bc it was common to do a 3-4hr set with no breaks. But other than my own ability to stand upright in my elder years, I don't know of another reason. But I see a weight attached to pretty much every bass for sale. Can we agree that all Jazz and Pbasses are all between 8-9lbs. Or am I missing something, which is entirely possible. And I apologize if this thread is already on here somewhere. As long as this forum has been around I doubt there are many topics left that haven't been discussed.
 
I have found that while lighter basses help with the physical stresses of playing long sets, sometimes we sacrifice tone. I used to own an Elrick 5-string that I liked but always felt sounded a little thin and needed some help with the preamp. It was 8lb. My current 5-string Elrick is 9lb and there is a definite improvement in the tone. It needs much less help from the onboard pre.

Coincidence? Possibly. But when I was discussing a custom build with Marcel from FBass, I inquired about weight. He told me that he doesn’t like to go any lower than 9lb because of neck dive and the way lighter woods negatively affect tone.

So yeah, I don’t think there any advantages to a lighter bass other than ease of play. But that’s a valid reason. And with active electronics, any drawbacks associated with a lighter weight are easily remedied.
 
Some of my favorite basses have been heavy. Warwicks, Rick’s, older Stingrays. After a chronic shoulder injury I just can’t take the weight on a strap anymore. It’s not just weight, balance makes a big difference.

Seeing the weight is important for me, I’ve been in PT for years just trying to be able to continue playing, and anything over 8.5lbs on a 3 hour gig means pain for days.

For most the different been 8.5 and 9.2 probably doesn’t matter. If that’s you, skip those specs and read on for what you care about.

Just like string spacing, neck profile, nut width. Weight is a spec that’s important to some people for what they’re going to find comfortable to play and have a better chance bonding with.
 
I get that heavier basses and longer gigs aren't the best combination...can you imagine doing a 4hr set with a T-40... but does the weight of the instrument effect anything other than the comfort of the player? About 5yrs ago I started using Jazz basses instead of my favorite Stingray 5 with a wedding band I've played in for years bc it was common to do a 3-4hr set with no breaks. But other than my own ability to stand upright in my elder years, I don't know of another reason. But I see a weight attached to pretty much every bass for sale. Can we agree that all Jazz and Pbasses are all between 8-9lbs. Or am I missing something, which is entirely possible. And I apologize if this thread is already on here somewhere. As long as this forum has been around I doubt there are many topics left that haven't been discussed.
I've got a 12.5 lb P-bass, which is an outlier, but there are Fenders much heavier than 9 lbs out there. Most of my Fenders however range between 8-9.5 lbs.
 
In the 70s and 80s heavy basses were assumed to be better for sustain and tone. That's when Gibson and Peavey in particular were making their boat anchors. Later it was generally understood that the construction itself was what dictated sustain, not the total mass of the instrument. For example a more rigid neck and neck-to-body joint contributes to sustain more than the body mass.

I don't think you can tell a light instrument from a heavy instrument just by listening to it. There are going to be too many variables in addition to the weight for the weight to matter much.

For my part, I mostly play sitting down so weight shouldn't matter a whole lot, but I've found body shapes like the T-40 or Grabber are getting to be huge and unwieldy for me now, it affects my posture when I play while sitting and I end up with shoulder pain despite not using a strap. So I've got to shift to compact bodied basses which coincidentally tend to be lighter -- less wood, y'know.
 
Can we agree that all Jazz and Pbasses are all between 8-9lbs.
Not even close. I have built 4 string basses as light as 6.6 pounds. My 5 string jazz is 7.3

If you want to understand what controls sustain (the thing that "heavier" is alleged to help), you need to first understand the Physics of what's going on. When you pluck a string, there is a certain amount of energy in that string. Anytime energy leaves the string, you reduce sustain. People that talk about "coupling energy into the body" have it precisely backwards - if you efficiently couple the energy of the string into the body or neck, you take away ALL the sustain. For sustain to happen, the energy has to remain in the string - the goal is to keep the energy in the string.

OK, to keep energy in the string, what do you do? Well, first, there are three places the string loses energy. First is into the air - the string does lose a bit of energy directly vibrating the air around it. But, you can't do anything about that, assuming you are going to play in places with air, so let's set that aside.

The other two places are the ends of the string. For energy to remain in the string, you want the "end conditions" of the string to be infinitely stiff and infinitely massive. Neither of those is strictly true, so let's take off our Physicist's hats and put on our Engineer's caps. There are (as said before) two ends to the string. Neither is special - both contribute equally to keeping (or losing energy) - if they are the same. Are they the same?

OK, if you[re thinking along with me, you probably realize the two ends of the string are not the same. On one end, the string is anchored in a massive block of metal, and that is screwed to a massive block of wood. On the other end, your finger (which is not all that stiff) is holding the string against a tiny metal strip, and that is anchored in a relatively thin piece of wood. Where are the most losses going to occur? Yes, that's right, at the neck/fret end of the string. Dead spots (when you have very little sustain) occur because at that point, and at that frequency, energy does couple into the neck well - it leaves the string, and goes into the neck (some of it subsequently goes into the body through the neck). For other notes, the situation is not as severe, but the fret/neck end of the string is where the most losses occur. So, if you want more sustain you fix the problem end, you don't work on the end where the problem isn't. A heavier, stiffer body isn't the solution. A heavier, stiffer bridge also isn't the solution. A heavier, stiffer neck is. Pick up a bunch of J basses (with thin necks). Play them. Then go and pick up some 5's with big necks (a thicker neck is more massive and much stiffer - the geometry gives you stiffness as well as mass). Play those. Note which has more sustain.

I build my own basses. They are 5 strings - all under 8 pounds. Light bridges, light bodies, the necks are thick (made with roasted maple), they have graphite rods making them stiffer (roasting the maple also makes them stiffer). I work on other people's basses (not a lot, but a few here and there, and some of them have "noodle necks" - skinny Ibanez's and the like. A good thick, stiff neck is what you want for good sustain.
 
But I see a weight attached to pretty much every bass for sale.
They're forestalling.

List a bass for sale and it's guaranteed some uninterested party will ask the weight, usually within the first 5 posts and often not even as a structured sentence; just the word "weight" no question mark .

Including the weight in the ad saves you dealing with eejits and this scenario.

eejit. "weight"

seller. "Oh it's 9.2lbs."

eejit. "Too heavy, I'm looking for 9.15lbs"

Doesn't matter the weight, once you engage with eejits it's always 1 or 2 oz too heavy :rollno:
 
Weight was a selling factor for me when I was searching for the 'right' jazz as a workhorse bass. I never put too much thought into it before then and just used 3.5 inch wide padded straps since all my basses were fairly heavy. The lightweight jazz does seem to lack a bit of oomph and sustain but I can always turn the bass up and Bob's your marley
 
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I still maintain, if your young especially, and healthy, weight should be a moot point. I never worried about that. Even longer gigs we got breaks. When I was in bands I loved it so much, even if my back would ache a bit, someone else always wanted a break before me.
I also thought, maybe naively, maybe a generational thing, that bigger heavier basses was a good thing for the sound.
 
There was just a thread on this a couple days ago, questioning the connection between weight and tone. I've never seen (or heard) any direct correlation, for instance an Aerodyne Jazz bass, made of lightweigt basswood, sounds as good or better than a much heavier ash or alder jazz, so the weight doesn't seem to have much to do with it, it's just extra mass. IMO around 95% of the tone of any bass is down to strings, electroinics, and pickups, ascribing relative effect to the remainder, I'd say it's neck first, body a distant second. Some of the best sounding high-dollar vintage Fenders are also the lightest, having had decades to dry out. My G&L L2k is the heaviest bass I own, and it's just over 9 lbs. I wouldn't buy anything heavier.
 
Can we agree that all Jazz and Pbasses are all between 8-9lbs.
At NAMM this year Sire introduced a the 6-series (P6 PJ, V6 J, M6 headless HH) in which the 4-string models are all just under 8 pounds.

 
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