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Bassic 15- 3015 or 15PR400
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I have been emailing a builder about the specifics and it may seem like I'm obsessing, but unfortunately I don't have a way that I can A/B both drivers through my rig so a little guesswork is in order. Phone conversation sounds like a great suggestion which I will follow up on shortly. Who knows, maybe this thread will turn into a build thread!
When I was interested in the Bassic, I asked a few builders which one came closer to the tone of a JBL K140. It was the Faital pretty much, even according to Greenboy. If you are familiar with that driver, you know it has a very sweet tone, in just about any box you put it in. I was looking for a louder version of the K140, and I think the Faital may just be the one. Listen to some of JohnK sound bites and I think you will hear the difference. I have been using the K140 for many years, and it is my all time fave 15, but I was looking for a lighter version. BTW, you can join Greenboy's forum and ask all these questions there, and get first rate info from the guys who build them, including Greenboy himself.
I have a 15pr400 in a cab I build myself, awesomely smooth, clear and loud driver! I haven't heard the 3015 personally.
Looking for info in John K's thread before I bought the driver, I'm pretty sure I remember him stating than the 2x 15pr400 was if anything a tad louder than the 2x 3015 combo - different measuring conventions, different sensitivity ratings
Looking for info in John K's thread before I bought the driver, I'm pretty sure I remember him stating than the 2x 15pr400 was if anything a tad louder than the 2x 3015 combo - different measuring conventions, different sensitivity ratings
OP, if your band plays at all on the loud side, I'd recommend two cabs. I'm happy with my home-built 2X15 cab loaded with 3015 drivers though I've read the Faitals are great, too. One cab with 200 watts is not going to play particularly loud if you want your AD200's tones on the cleanish side. This coming from a guy who previously owned an OR120 and currently owns a Trace Quatra Valve.
Originally Posted by ThisBass
Not my taste but if you like an brash audible peak around 1..2kHz you will be fine with the Kappalite.
Originally posed by CL400Peavey
Right "brash" or "muscular" or "edgy"... There are lots of adjectives that might apply and its tough to use one that means the same thing to someone else as it does to you.
Thisbass has already provided a description that would mean the same thing to someone else: "an audible peak around 1-2kHz" Adjectives like brash, presence, edgy, etc merely reflect the posters personal preference.
Same goes for the description of the Faital as 'plush in the lows naturally', and mids a bit more relaxed. The Faital simply has a little more deep bass and a more linear response through the mids. Same for the description of the 3015 as being tighter in the lows, and more muscular in the mids. Again, the 3015 mids are peaked, and the lows are not as extended as the Faital in the same cab. 'Tighter' suggests that the 3015's transient response in the low frequency range is inherently superior to that of the Faital. This is strictly cab dependent. If anything, the lows of the 3015 could be described as being a little lean relative to the Faital (in some cabs). And again, the 3015 being more 'muscular' in the mids really just alludes to this drivers midrange peak. There will always be some who like a given characteristic while others don't, and their descriptions reflect this. However, there is no disputing objective measurements (peaking, scoops, HF or LF extension, dispersion, etc.). Not meaning to rag on anyone, just trying to point out how much more informative an objective description can be.
The 3015 and 15PR400 are both great bass cab drivers. Claims of superiority should be viewed with skepticism. Players should just choose the driver that best meets their tonal, cab size & weight and spl needs.
Just saying...
Not my taste but if you like an brash audible peak around 1..2kHz you will be fine with the Kappalite.
Originally posed by CL400Peavey
Right "brash" or "muscular" or "edgy"... There are lots of adjectives that might apply and its tough to use one that means the same thing to someone else as it does to you.
Thisbass has already provided a description that would mean the same thing to someone else: "an audible peak around 1-2kHz" Adjectives like brash, presence, edgy, etc merely reflect the posters personal preference.
Same goes for the description of the Faital as 'plush in the lows naturally', and mids a bit more relaxed. The Faital simply has a little more deep bass and a more linear response through the mids. Same for the description of the 3015 as being tighter in the lows, and more muscular in the mids. Again, the 3015 mids are peaked, and the lows are not as extended as the Faital in the same cab. 'Tighter' suggests that the 3015's transient response in the low frequency range is inherently superior to that of the Faital. This is strictly cab dependent. If anything, the lows of the 3015 could be described as being a little lean relative to the Faital (in some cabs). And again, the 3015 being more 'muscular' in the mids really just alludes to this drivers midrange peak. There will always be some who like a given characteristic while others don't, and their descriptions reflect this. However, there is no disputing objective measurements (peaking, scoops, HF or LF extension, dispersion, etc.). Not meaning to rag on anyone, just trying to point out how much more informative an objective description can be.
The 3015 and 15PR400 are both great bass cab drivers. Claims of superiority should be viewed with skepticism. Players should just choose the driver that best meets their tonal, cab size & weight and spl needs.
Just saying...
Originally Posted by ThisBass
Not my taste but if you like an brash audible peak around 1..2kHz you will be fine with the Kappalite.
Originally posed by CL400Peavey
Right "brash" or "muscular" or "edgy"... There are lots of adjectives that might apply and its tough to use one that means the same thing to someone else as it does to you.
Thisbass has already provided a description that would mean the same thing to someone else: "an audible peak around 1-2kHz" Adjectives like brash, presence, edgy, etc merely reflect the posters personal preference.
Same goes for the description of the Faital as 'plush in the lows naturally', and mids a bit more relaxed. The Faital simply has a little more deep bass and a more linear response through the mids. Same for the description of the 3015 as being tighter in the lows, and more muscular in the mids. Again, the 3015 mids are peaked, and the lows are not as extended as the Faital in the same cab. 'Tighter' suggests that the 3015's transient response in the low frequency range is inherently superior to that of the Faital. This is strictly cab dependent. If anything, the lows of the 3015 could be described as being a little lean relative to the Faital (in some cabs). And again, the 3015 being more 'muscular' in the mids really just alludes to this drivers midrange peak. There will always be some who like a given characteristic while others don't, and their descriptions reflect this. However, there is no disputing objective measurements (peaking, scoops, HF or LF extension, dispersion, etc.). Not meaning to rag on anyone, just trying to point out how much more informative an objective description can be.
The 3015 and 15PR400 are both great bass cab drivers. Claims of superiority should be viewed with skepticism. Players should just choose the driver that best meets their tonal, cab size & weight and spl needs.
Just saying...
*golf clap*
I totally agree with this.
It's a baked in sound.
Can't eq it out without making the speaker sound really dead.
Faital all the way.
Originally Posted by ThisBass
Not my taste but if you like an brash audible peak around 1..2kHz you will be fine with the Kappalite.
Originally posed by CL400Peavey
Right "brash" or "muscular" or "edgy"... There are lots of adjectives that might apply and its tough to use one that means the same thing to someone else as it does to you.
Thisbass has already provided a description that would mean the same thing to someone else: "an audible peak around 1-2kHz" Adjectives like brash, presence, edgy, etc merely reflect the posters personal preference.
Same goes for the description of the Faital as 'plush in the lows naturally', and mids a bit more relaxed. The Faital simply has a little more deep bass and a more linear response through the mids. Same for the description of the 3015 as being tighter in the lows, and more muscular in the mids. Again, the 3015 mids are peaked, and the lows are not as extended as the Faital in the same cab. 'Tighter' suggests that the 3015's transient response in the low frequency range is inherently superior to that of the Faital. This is strictly cab dependent. If anything, the lows of the 3015 could be described as being a little lean relative to the Faital (in some cabs). And again, the 3015 being more 'muscular' in the mids really just alludes to this drivers midrange peak. There will always be some who like a given characteristic while others don't, and their descriptions reflect this. However, there is no disputing objective measurements (peaking, scoops, HF or LF extension, dispersion, etc.). Not meaning to rag on anyone, just trying to point out how much more informative an objective description can be.
The 3015 and 15PR400 are both great bass cab drivers. Claims of superiority should be viewed with skepticism. Players should just choose the driver that best meets their tonal, cab size & weight and spl needs.
Just saying...
Very well said.
My long term plan with the rig is eventually save up and get a second Bassic so that the rig is more modular than a single Dually, but can get louder when needed.
And as valuable as that advice would be, its not really pertinent to the OP on which driver would suit him in an established design, the Bassic15, as a bass cab.
- Mar 8, 2011
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Different applications need different solutions.
Yes it is off topic but I was talking about PA-tops and wedge monitors. Considering the reinforcement of voices and vocals which is a different animal (yes it is off topic), that means that some forward edge around 1..2kHz is sometimes a benefit, of course it is all depending on the acoustic situation of a given room.
Back to topic.
The Orange AD200 provides a very significant edge around 1..2kHz (and above). This Orange typical boost is a firm component of the Orange Schematic design. It cant't be switched off and is therefore present all the time, no matter which EQ settings are used.
Hiwatt design works similar but the Hiwatt static Boost is rather focused at the treble band.
Orange schematic was designed at a time period where most of speakers provided muddy sounds, mid scoped with reduced treble range.
So the Orange design has it's most permit on vintage speakers of the 70s or similar vintage designed stuff.
Hiwatt's treble Boost is more smooth and therefore works perfect even with modern designed speakers like 15PR400/3015.
My suggestion for the AD200.
Neither 15PR400 nor 3512.
At least the 15PR400 because it has not any peak where the AD200 is very strong anyhow.
But I would keep on looking for something like 70s Vintage sounding.
Don't get me wrong but it is very hard to give any advice for any (vintage) amp that is coloring at the high mid band very strong.
Again offTopic but, full range drivers are coaxial drivers.
Whereas a lot of woofers can be used as a pseudo "full range" speaker for instrumental bass guitar applications.
Even with a quality high freq driver crossed @ ~2K on the 3015 or between 2-3K on the 15PR400? Specifically thinking of the Selenium D220Ti. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
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Well, I meant 2-way, as in, with a mid driver. We do a 'Dually T' which uses two 15PR400's and a Faital HF102 tweet...awesome, actually. I have run that Selenium tweet in an old fEARful 15/6/1 I used to tour with
