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Behringer Bass V-AMP Pro

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#281
I use the FCB1010 with my v-amp pro. It's well built and relatively easy to use just for switching patches (setting it up to work with the pro is about the only part of the manual that is easy to understand without being a midi expert). You need to know that if you switch between patches that use different amp models there is a short delay to prevent digital noise during the setting changes. For bass players this usually isn't an issue - more for guitarists who want a myriad of different sounds in one song. You also need a midi board to access the looping facility - something I've not had time to play around with yet.
On a separate note I've followed Charlie's instructions and my bass sound has now come to life - mainly using the Ampeg SVT- Pro II model and virtually flat eq. I also occasionally play guitar for a band and the guitar amp models are excellent - especially the hi-gain ones.
Thanks for all the advice and tips guys - keep up the good work.
(by the way I use the Pro with a Peavey DPC 1000 and it sounds great:
Bass V-amp Pro - £55
FCB1010 - £70 with carry bag
Peavey DPC 1000 - £175
Killer and versatile rig - £300!)
 
#282
Hey CharlieC,

May I suggest the TalkBass wiki as a pretty good place to assemble materials and such? I told you earlier that I had admin'd and moderated an independent Roland V-Bass forum... Well, over several years I put up a lot of programming tutorials, tips, explanations, photographs of modifications, etc, and one or two other people did too. There was a wealth of material there, but when the site owner let it all go down beneath the waves without a backup to haul to another host/location it put an end to so much good content. I was incredibly dissapointed and PISSED.

But you know TalkBass is likely to be here for a long time to come (it's actually where I argued that our V-Bass stuff should have been in the first place), and the TalkBass wiki has worked out fairly well for me with the fEarful stuff, so you might consider getting something going there. you've done some good here : }
 
#283
I must admit that I looked at this preamp sometime ago when it came out, but, frankly, thought, too many bells and whistles for me, and , I was looking at one space pre's anyway. But, after reading this thread, the thought occured to me that it might be useful in the corporate/wedding band I'm in. I probably still would'nt be interested in 80% of what this preamp can do, but the amp modeling thing is intriguing. My problem is that the group plays everything from Duke Ellington to Springsteen, often in the same set. I find myself often going from trying to ape an upright type of sound, to a rock sound, to a Stax/Duck Dunn sound, without anytime inbetween to make adjustments at the amp. With the amp modeling, it might make it easier if I could just turn around, hit a button and get the sound I need for a certain song, then back to a basic setting on the preamp afterwards. Is this possible to do on the fly, and how easy/ hard is it to set up for this kind of thing? Also, how do you guys like the amp modeling as a whole ?
 
#284
jnewmark said:
{...} I probably still would'nt be interested in 80% of what this preamp can do {...}
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Since I use Roland V-Bass instead of Behr V-AMP Pro, hope nobody thinks I'm intruding here... But I'll say if you use only 10% of what these types of units address, you still have a great toolset. The way I think of my V-Bass primarily, before I consider bass guitar models, or effects is as a VERY FLEXIBLE PREAMP that also has cab and head modeling. So yes, it will prove to have value in the type of situation you descibe, as well as many others.

I don't know how easy it is with the the V-AMP, but I suspect it's like what I use, every easy to change to fit the song coming up (or even within a song if you set things up for it).
 
#285
Here is the thing. It doesn't matter how many total features the item has. If it offers you the features you DO want to use, for a price you can afford, and it does those features well, then go for it.

I have been keeping any eye on CL so I can get a second one as a backup.
 
#286
caeman said:
Here is the thing. It doesn't matter how many total features the item has. If it offers you the features you DO want to use, for a price you can afford, and it does those features well, then go for it.

I have been keeping any eye on CL so I can get a second one as a backup.
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I understand, I'm just wondering how hard/easy it is to do what I want to do with it, and is it a viable option for my gig. I know I will be the final judge of if it can do what I want it to, just looking for some specific comments on those options. :)
 
#287
Once you get one, take the time to experiment. When you find setting that begin to work, you save them for future recall. For you, it might be a benefit to get the midi foot controller board so you aren't leaning over to the FX box.

When you have so many options, of course, it could be a detriment. There are a lot of combinations of settings.
 
#288
caeman said:
Once you get one, take the time to experiment. When you find setting that begin to work, you save them for future recall. For you, it might be a benefit to get the midi foot controller board so you aren't leaning over to the FX box.

When you have so many options, of course, it could be a detriment. There are a lot of combinations of settings.
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I guess I'm not being clear enough. I'm only interested in the amp modeling options and if they are attainable at a push of a button, or do they have to be programmed and then accessed some other way ? Also, those of you who have tried them, how do they sound?
 
#289
jnewmark said:
I guess I'm not being clear enough. I'm only interested in the amp modeling options and if they are attainable at a push of a button, or do they have to be programmed and then accessed some other way ? Also, those of you who have tried them, how do they sound?
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J-Man, you will absolutely love the V-AMP for simple, programmable use as a basic preamp alone. It is the perfect companion to your Crown XLS 1000. Trust me. Take a chance and send it back within 45-days for a full refund if not 100% satisfied :-)

Have a listen to it @ http://www.zinfanus.com/vamp

Based on pedigree + price, by all counts the V-AMP should be a piece of junk, but it is quite the opposite

Take the plunge, my friend!
 
#290
Okay, I think I know what you are asking now.

The Amp models require no special programming, just the twist of a knob. Press the TAP key to use the second set of amp model options, 32 total. Press one of the preset letters to save it there and voila! programmed.
 
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caeman said:
Okay, I think I know what you are asking now.

The Amp models require no special programming, just the twist of a knob. Press the TAP key to use the second set of amp model options, 32 total. Press one of the preset letters to save it there and voila! programmed.
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Ok, cool, that's what I wanted to know. So, say for example, I hit the Ampeg B15 model, how does that affect the EQ section of the preamp, or does it have it's own EQ settings and overides the basic preamp settings? I'm thinking I'm only gonna need a few different models, providing I like the way they model, and just use the basic preamp and compressor.
 
#293
Each amp model has what seems like preset levels of gain, eq, compression, etc. Stuff that emulates the head and cab combo. Then, you can separately modify the EQ and gain of the pre-amp section -- the normal knobs.

In all of these settings and changes, what ever is the 'current' settings, those will get saved in the preset settings. So, 1-A maybe a British Pop amp emulation, with autowah as some level, compression at noon, scooped mids and low gain.

The compressor is independent of the FX. The denoiser is indepedent. The gain and EQ are independent. You can only have one of the other effects in operation at one time (reverb, chorus, delay, autowah, etc.)

To get a more upright sound, I've found that turning down the gain seems to help darken the sound, bring in more of that mwah fretless action. the acoustic amp sims seem to aid that mwah sound quite a bit.
 
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jnewmark said:
Ok, cool, that's what I wanted to know. So, say for example, I hit the Ampeg B15 model, how does that affect the EQ section of the preamp, or does it have it's own EQ settings and overides the basic preamp settings? I'm thinking I'm only gonna need a few different models, providing I like the way they model, and just use the basic preamp and compressor.
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Spin the AMP knob to the Ampeg B15 model, the EQ remains just as the knobs are currently set, tweak to taste, click and hold the patch button for 2-seconds to store your sound just like a car radio station.

Create and store as many patches as you like, different amp models, EQ's for different basses, effects, etc.

Get your credit card out now, J, and you should have the V-AMP by Wednesday :-)
 
#296
Hi guys

So, i'm a LONG time Behringer lover (as opposed to the hatters out there) since, as many of you said, even the small issues are acceptable for the price you pay.
Since money is very scarce around here most of my Behringer gear is second hand and yet I never had any kind of problems with it. My Bass V-Amp Pro is one of the few things I bought new.
An ex-girlfriend of mine was a keyboard player and when we saw and awesome deal on a Bass V-Amp like 6 years ago she bought it. I plugged my bass just for kicks and it was instant love but I did not get one because I already had a pedal board and was not in a band at the time. But it got stuck in my mind and I simply HAD to get a Pro one. Some 2years ago I finally got one and it's my baby ever since.

Thanks CharlieC for this thread and all the tips, after two years I still didn't know about the input gain thing. It was not a real problem since I only use active basses but it does get the "SVT's" to overdrive better.
As for the manual...many curse words come to mind but unfortunately it's a Behringer issue, all their manuals are crap.

On a side note, I also have a Behringer compressor and graph EQ that I love but I wanted to get something that could be MIDI controlled so that the comp and EQ settings would change with the V-Amp patch. To my despair, the virtualizer can only be used as compressor OR EQ OR psychoacoustic (I'm also coveting something similar to a BBE Maximizer) not all at the same time and the wonderful Ultracurve Pro (that could even be connected to the V-Amp by digital signal) is very expensive and downright overkill to my needs.

So that everyone can take something from my post here is a tip. After you have mastered the onboard compressor, and specially if there is still something missing, do get an outboard one and here is the tip:
The all time favorite compression stomp box for bass is the EBS Multi Comp. The main reason for this is that it is a multi band compressor and that makes a HUGE difference. Since the V-Amp already splits frequencies, either get two pedals or a two channel compressor (like my [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]). So why no get a Multi Comp? well it costs more than 160€ and it does not tend to depreciate on the used market and for that you can get a dbx 166 xl (dbx = standard in compression) that gives you lot more control.

P.S. - Can I be member #3 of the squad?
 
#297
kurotenshi said:
Hi guys

So, i'm a LONG time Behringer lover (as opposed to the hatters out there) since, as many of you said, even the small issues are acceptable for the price you pay.
Since money is very scarce around here most of my Behringer gear is second hand and yet I never had any kind of problems with it. My Bass V-Amp Pro is one of the few things I bought new.
An ex-girlfriend of mine was a keyboard player and when we saw and awesome deal on a Bass V-Amp like 6 years ago she bought it. I plugged my bass just for kicks and it was instant love but I did not get one because I already had a pedal board and was not in a band at the time. But it got stuck in my mind and I simply HAD to get a Pro one. Some 2years ago I finally got one and it's my baby ever since.

Thanks CharlieC for this thread and all the tips, after two years I still didn't know about the input gain thing. It was not a real problem since I only use active basses but it does get the "SVT's" to overdrive better.
As for the manual...many curse words come to mind but unfortunately it's a Behringer issue, all their manuals are crap.

On a side note, I also have a Behringer compressor and graph EQ that I love but I wanted to get something that could be MIDI controlled so that the comp and EQ settings would change with the V-Amp patch. To my despair, the virtualizer can only be used as compressor OR EQ OR psychoacoustic (I'm also coveting something similar to a BBE Maximizer) not all at the same time and the wonderful Ultracurve Pro (that could even be connected to the V-Amp by digital signal) is very expensive and downright overkill to my needs.

So that everyone can take something from my post here is a tip. After you have mastered the onboard compressor, and specially if there is still something missing, do get an outboard one and here is the tip:
The all time favorite compression stomp box for bass is the EBS Multi Comp. The main reason for this is that it is a multi band compressor and that makes a HUGE difference. Since the V-Amp already splits frequencies, either get two pedals or a two channel compressor (like my [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]). So why no get a Multi Comp? well it costs more than 160€ and it does not tend to depreciate on the used market and for that you can get a dbx 166 xl (dbx = standard in compression) that gives you lot more control.

P.S. - Can I be member #3 of the squad?
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Welcome, brother #3 from Portugal!

Cheers!
 
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