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Behringer "Generic Eq Settings"...

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by TommyBassThomas, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. Hello all! Iv been using my Behringer BX4500H, with Behringer 2/10 and 1/15 cabs for close to two yrs now, and have been generally very happy. A great starter rig that has played more than 80 gigs well. Im just not sure Im doing something right. I have played Classic Rock, Alternative, Jazz, Jazz Fusion, and Funk, with my Jazz and cant seem to find the best EQ settings that would cover most of these tones. Im looking for a "generic" setting. Any other users wanna make suggestions? (when I start making more money gigging, Ill get something more fashionable, but for now - Behringer rocks!)

    Thanks to all...
  2. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    If it doesn't sound good with the EQ flat, then it just doesn't sound good. IMO.
  3. Foamy


    Jun 26, 2006
    Sac Area
    Ayup! Dang, just saw you defected to Oregon. Tell me it's not Eugene! :)
  4. Obese Chess

    Obese Chess I'm Your New Dad Supporting Member

    Sep 4, 2005
    Portland, OR
    As an Oregon Resident for 12 years, I can honestly tell you that Eugene isn't a real place.
    DeadCity727 likes this.
  5. optikhog


    Apr 2, 2007
    St. Peters, MO
    What, specifically, seems to be missing? You should be able to cover most sounds reasonably well using these cabs as they're not bad (I use a Behringer config @ church). The thing to watch out for it to not contour too much on channel two of that amp - try to keep as much natural sound as you can.
  6. why do yall say that? you (and i)know that you are gonna eq the amp to your tastes any way
  7. ROON


    Aug 5, 2006
    Sydney, Australia
    Uh oh... Is this gonna be another Behringer flame war? What people are saying is that you shouldn't have to fiddle around with an amp to find a desirable sound. Personally, if I don't like the sound of an amp with the EQ flat, I tend to move onto looking at other stuff.
  8. Foamy


    Jun 26, 2006
    Sac Area
    Yeah, of course you're right. A lot depends on your ear, tastes, and target sound.
    With my Markbass LMII, I love the tone when eq'ed flat across the board; however, there may be a need for me to touch the eq, but I just have found that need yet.
  9. Koiman


    Aug 19, 2005
    I have the same amp and flat sounds good to me but if your not getting exactly what you're looking for then try setting the equalization knobs a quarter turn clockwise. If that is going the wrong way then try all knobs counterclockwise from 12 o'clock. If that is an improvment then tweak from there. Once you get the sound you're looking for for a particular style then record those settings. It's hard to recommend a particular set of settings because the variable is the cabinet being used. I have an assortment (7) of different cabs and the sound will differ depending on which cabinet I am playing through.
  10. bongomania

    bongomania Gold Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    IMO, amplifier EQ is chiefly for two things: adjusting for bad room acoustics, or adjusting for the natural EQ of your cabinets. So the baseline standard is "EQ flat", only adjusted on a case-by-case basis to match specific rooms and cabs.

    The reason I don't say amplifier EQ is for shaping the tone of your bass is because most soundmen want a pre-EQ DI signal, so tone-shaping is best done with an EQ onboard the bass, or in a separate pedal.

    Additionally, when you have your EQ set flat, you are hearing "the sound of the amp", good or bad. Using the EQ can shape your tone into something more like what you want to hear, but it can't make a mediocre amp sound good. Whereas a good-sounding amp will sound good even when the EQ is set flat. Seems to me the better amps are designed to sound best that way anyway, and the EQ is provided more as a sales feature. I can't remember how many times I've seen posts saying they have a high-end amp or preamp with an elaborate EQ system, but they leave the EQ flat regardless because it sounds better that way (to them).
  11. What bass are you playing?
  12. seamonkey


    Aug 6, 2004
    I don't think any manufacturers head is actually "flat" with the controls set flat. They all preshape, the sound, usually in a smiley face curve, either to fool people into thinking their flat settings sound the best, or that this is their best guess for a starting place.

    Checkout Fdeck's review of the Backline 600
    It's not flat with the knobs flat, but it can actually be set "flat" by tweaking the knobs to other positions than flat.

    Knobs are for tweaking, especially for different bands, music, rooms, etc.

    To the OP, I'd turn down the sub-bass, and bass, and move the mid up a spec, turn the treble down, this will probably make it "flatter", and more generic for all music.
  13. John Wentzien

    John Wentzien

    Jun 25, 2007
    Elberta, AL
    Artist:TC Electronic RH450 bass system (original test-pilot)
    Watch it with the sub bass thing..it can get muddy and uses a lot of headroom in the amp. try it about +3db on the bass--+1 or 2 db on the mids , and flat treble----no sub bass or pre-shape buttons on.
  14. Bongo is absolutely right - so is everyone else here.

    EQ's are for (and elaborate EQ's are even greater for) adjusting for room acoustics. Every time you use your EQ to shape your sound, you change what it's going to do in the room you're playing in. Therefore, you can dial in a great EQ to get your bass to sound just the way you want it at home, then take the same settings to your next gig and it sounds like crap.

    The bass enters into it when you realize that different woods enhance different tonal ranges - harder woods give more high presence and softer woods bring out the midrange more.

    Leave the EQ flat on your amp head, and just use some of the boost on your bass' EQ. If you've got two pickups on it, you should get enough variance to suit your playing situations, or it's time for a modification. I stuck a Bartolini 3 band pre-amp in both of my inexpensive Brices and the control difference is incredible. The only thing I touch on my Behringer head is the "shape" control for different music "styles" (besides, all the treble control does is increase hiss). Or the "bright" or "deep" buttons for a little boost in either direction. The "shape" lets you control your mids.

    The best sound I've ever got from either of them is going into my computer through a Mackie mixer, with just a little bass boost from the mixer eq. Any amp/amp head I've played them through (GK, Carvin, Behringer, MarkBass, Crate, etc.) makes them sound like garbage. Best sound ever - a 30 year old Polytone - NOTHING like it out there today.

    When you upgrade, though, I'd be interested in securing your 2-10 and 1-15....:hyper:
  15. ishouldbeking


    Feb 5, 2007
    Hollywood, CA
    Endorsing: SIT, Eastwood, Hanson
    I'm not the most knowledgeable about EQ, otherwise I wouldn't ask this, but I'm currently using a cheap jazz bass with flats into a GK 2001... in order to get the big thump I'm after I use the amp's eq to essentially boost the bass quite a bit, boost low mids a little, and cut the treble some and cut the low mids even more. I do this to compensate for the fact that my gear probably wasn't meant for this sound. Is this wrong? Should I be going about it in another way?

    (sorry, not trying to hijack, but the eq discussion is relevant, i think.)
  16. greenboy


    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    I used to think that EQ at the head/rack was useful for adjusting to the room characteristics. But I've come more and more to believe that one can usually reliably tell only so much about the way a room interacts in various zones with a source. One can, however, use local EQ to change the stage mix at least in positions they are hearing from, and sometimes that is useful.

    Even a good soundman only hears the positions of the room he auditions, and the lower frequencies interact so differently in different spots that one could easily make it sound the way they want where they are listening to the detriment of other crucial areas.

    I've probably done a hundred gigs operating by this philosophy, and rarely if ever do anything more than general EQ from stage just to get a decent local monitoring situation - or go out on the dancefloor and give a listen to my bass lines if there is no FOH. Again, only general EQ in almost any instance. I do value having a bass rig, and I've gone the "much like a PA speaker" route with my rig the majority of the time. There, any EQ that affects one would roughly do the same for the other, speaker positioning withstanding.

    Yes, there are a lot of variables ; }
  17. greenboy


    Dec 18, 2000
    remote mountain cabin Montana
    greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
    As a soundman I've run into this frequently, and if that's Di'd POST-EQ what it usually gives is a signal to FOH that is boomy, muddy, lacking in clarity and sparkle, and presence. Then I have to do compensatory EQ which never is as good as just having a more even signal in the first place. This is why most soundmen want PRE-EQ DI.
  18. Okay, lots of great responces here! I guess I didn't mention Im playing a Fender Jazz... Important info. Iv noticed the DI out is post "everything" on this head! Kind of weird. Well, Ill try flat eq settings this Sunday night at my next gig. It's a pick up gig, so I can screw around a little. Thanks all!

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