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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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#242
KJung said:
You know, on most of these gigs I'm reading and subbing. Kind of unprofessional IMO to be messing with that. Never really do it.
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Yeah, you're probably right, not an ideal situation. I surely would love to see/hear some of these cabs/heads in action, though !
 
#244
If you guys do another shootout, I recommend you do a 45 degrees off axis listening and measurement test, if you haven't already :)

The Neox212T is my favorite mass market 2x12 and it really shines when you're moving around the room.
 
#245
rpsands said:
If you guys do another shootout, I recommend you do a 45 degrees off axis listening and measurement test, if you haven't already :)

The Neox212T is my favorite mass market 2x12 and it really shines when you're moving around the room.
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+1 This one seems nice and even around the room also... nice, as is my little TecAmp.
 
#246
KJung said:
+1 This one seems nice and even around the room also... nice, as is my little TecAmp.
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Yeah, that's the reason I asked about the crossover in that horn. The off-axis response probably starts to fall off around the same area as a 15 with the way the 12's are offset in the AE212, but if the horn kicks in around 2k-2500hz I think most people would be pleased with the off-axis performance overall.
 
#247
rpsands said:
Yeah, that's the reason I asked about the crossover in that horn. The off-axis response probably starts to fall off around the same area as a 15 with the way the 12's are offset in the AE212, but if the horn kicks in around 2k-2500hz I think most people would be pleased with the off-axis performance overall.
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The AE tweeters seem crossed over relatively low to me... again more grind than pure sizzle like some cabs, so you are probably right. I have no idea... I can switch my TecAmp cab from I believe a 4K crossover to around 2.5K, and the AE212 sounds somewhere between, but closer to the 2.5K setting (I think I have those frequencies correct... high and sizzly versus more of an extension of the top of the driver.. cool system.. the Mesa cabs have a similar thing.
 
#249
Did not review the whole thread, but was wondering what these are fetching Retail?

I need a smaller cab to pair with my Mesa Walkabout and the LMII, for a Country Band I just joined. Currently using Dual 4x10 SWR's both the new Neo and old prefender Goliath II. I need smaller, lighter, but still something that can pump if needed.
 
#250
$999
A great price considering a single AE112 is $649.

Honk'n_down-low said:
Did not review the whole thread, but was wondering what these are fetching Retail?

I need a smaller cab to pair with my Mesa Walkabout and the LMII, for a Country Band I just joined. Currently using Dual 4x10 SWR's both the new Neo and old prefender Goliath II. I need smaller, lighter, but still something that can pump if needed.
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#251
Honk'n_down-low said:
Did not review the whole thread, but was wondering what these are fetching Retail?

I need a smaller cab to pair with my Mesa Walkabout and the LMII, for a Country Band I just joined. Currently using Dual 4x10 SWR's both the new Neo and old prefender Goliath II. I need smaller, lighter, but still something that can pump if needed.
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$999 for the cab, maybe $60 for the cover and another $60 or so for shipping. No discounts on the Berg stuff.... fixed pricing.
 
#252
Honk'n_down-low said:
Did not review the whole thread, but was wondering what these are fetching Retail?

I need a smaller cab to pair with my Mesa Walkabout and the LMII, for a Country Band I just joined. Currently using Dual 4x10 SWR's both the new Neo and old prefender Goliath II. I need smaller, lighter, but still something that can pump if needed.
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I think 1K. With the AE series 212 or 410, you will not shave weight..the AE212 might shave some size.......

I prefer the Bergantino over the SWR...but I don't know anything about the Golight..
I gig an LMII and AE410 with very good results.....The AE212 sounds to be in the same ballpark tonally...and within reach volume-wise.....though I would expect the 410 would pull away when pushed........

probably a move up in clarity, etc...but not weight loss,,,,,,
again the AE212 form factor is nice though.......
and of course considering the AE212 & AE410 are both 4ohm.....which would mean one cab.....

if you are going from two 8 ohm 4x10s to one 4 ohm 212 or 410, ......will you be happy................
the AEs are loud cabs...but its not like the SWRs aren't.....I've gigged with them too...just not the Golight......

of course I may have missed the whole point :smug:

do you wish to go to one cab or stick with two??
 
#255
Well, I don't know about fixed pricing, but I do know that I spent some time with the AE212 yesterday. Very full and balanced... un-neo sounding to me (if you'll forgive the description). The ONLY neo cab that I have ever considered - and am still considering - laying down the cash for.
 
#256
svtb15 said:
The term Fixed Pricing doesn't fall under this law. does it? Interesting term though..

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Price fixing in that link is talking about something TOTALLY different. It is talking about fixing prices amongst competitors. IE, it would be illegal for Bergantino and Epifani to talk to each other and decide to change the price to something specific. Here's the first two sentences of your link:

Price fixing is an agreement (written, verbal, or inferred from conduct) among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms. Generally, the antitrust laws require that each company establish prices and other terms on its own, without agreeing with a competitor.
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There's nothing in that law that says that a companies agreement with a dealer/distributor can't set prices. As long as they aren't doing it with a competitor it's fine.
 
#257
Ok.. that makes sense.. I saw the term and thought it o be interesting to develop a better understanding.
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Price fixing in that link is talking about something TOTALLY different. It is talking about fixing prices amongst competitors. IE, it would be illegal for Bergantino and Epifani to talk to each other and decide to change the price to something specific. Here's the first two sentences of your link:



There's nothing in that law that says that a companies agreement with a dealer/distributor can't set prices. As long as they aren't doing it with a competitor it's fine.
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#258
Thanks KJung and Rodneyat.

Yes, I was thinking a single cab that could get the job done. Small problem of not having the $999. But I can sell some stuff and get there.

Thanks!

Whitbass said:
I think 1K. With the AE series 212 or 410, you will not shave weight..the AE212 might shave some size.......

I prefer the Bergantino over the SWR...but I don't know anything about the Golight..
I gig an LMII and AE410 with very good results.....The AE212 sounds to be in the same ballpark tonally...and within reach volume-wise.....though I would expect the 410 would pull away when pushed........

probably a move up in clarity, etc...but not weight loss,,,,,,
again the AE212 form factor is nice though.......
and of course considering the AE212 & AE410 are both 4ohm.....which would mean one cab.....

if you are going from two 8 ohm 4x10s to one 4 ohm 212 or 410, ......will you be happy................
the AEs are loud cabs...but its not like the SWRs aren't.....I've gigged with them too...just not the Golight......

of course I may have missed the whole point :smug:

do you wish to go to one cab or stick with two??
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#259
rpsands said:
If you guys do another shootout, I recommend you do a 45 degrees off axis listening and measurement test, if you haven't already :)

The Neox212T is my favorite mass market 2x12 and it really shines when you're moving around the room.
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I hear a lot about this cabinet. I hear very very positive reviews then the exact opposite.

Hmm.

It must be tonal goals that are separating people.
 
#260
svtb15 said:
Ok.. that makes sense.. I saw the term and thought it o be interesting to develop a better understanding.
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+1 I LOVE this pricing model. Mesa uses it, Sadowsky and others. No bull, no haggling, no dealers undercutting each other.... just a simple, fair price that everyone pays. Easy on the consumer, the dealer, and the company!

Of course, the market still 'sets the price' (i.e., if the actual price is out of line with competitors or the quality/performance of the unit, the product will be a failure).

I wish more companies adopted this pricing model.
 
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