I have not done the direct A/B yet. I own the AE112 as well. And, I would definitely agree this is the case. I need to pull the AE112 out later today and do a more in depth analysis. It is on the really long "to do" list.
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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released
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I have not done the direct A/B yet. I own the AE112 as well. And, I would definitely agree this is the case. I need to pull the AE112 out later today and do a more in depth analysis. It is on the really long "to do" list.
I LOVE the TecAmp s212 with the RH450 (I had a clip up for a while on Youtube, since the guy who bought one of my s212's has an RH450). Totally killer, since the s212 sounds more like the AE410... very tight, very bright, VERY grindy in the upper mids.
HOWEVER, that is the original front ported s212 I"m talking about. The current model (I had one for a short while) is tuned way lower (large rear ports) and is much deeper in the deep bass and MUCH more polite in the upper mids... so, probably not a good thing with the RH450. The M212 still has the similar voicing as the original s212, and should sound great with the RH450. IMO and IME.
That all said, the RH450/AE212 sounds better to me with a brighter, more aggressive bass like my Sadowsky. But, still too much 'fat and smooth' meets 'fat and smooth' with the AE212 for my needs.
I don't know that I would necessarily say it is not a "good fit". It probably comes down to tonal preferences. It is all very subjective. To be honest, I have not connected my RH450 to my AE212 yet. But, from listening to Ken's clips. It is still a good sound..just different than the Markbass, for sure. The RH450 is just not as punchy..regardless of what cabinet you pair it with. It is definitely a warmer "old school" tone. Adding another thing to be "to do" list..Spend some time with the RH450 and AE212. I think I will like it..I have already been using my RH450 with the AE112 for smaller gigs and like it a lot.
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+1...I thought it sounded great, it's just that the F500 fit my tonal goals more. I like a bit of that "windings on the strings" zing to define the notes that I play. The RH450 was more warm and fat. If I was going for an old school tone, or if I was playing a bass with more zing in it naturally, then that combo would be IT.
I think that will probably be the same way I feel about it when I get a chance to play that combination. I am sure I am going to like the sound of my more "zingy" and punchy basses like my Sadowskys but may not like it as much with the smoother and rounder tone of something like my Pedulla Nuance.
I don't know about Jim's new 2/12, but the best my Stingray ever sounded was with his old HT212.
+1, But I have a feeling by the way KJ describes the AE212, the AE410 is probably a better fit for the M6 or M9. The M6 and M9 have plenty of low end booty, so paired with the AE212 one might need to eq just a bit. I bet it would still sound fantastic. I really like my M6 with my portable AE610.
+1, But I have a feeling by the way KJ describes the AE212, the AE410 is probably a better fit for the M6 or M9. The M6 and M9 have plenty of low end booty, so paired with the AE212 one might need to eq just a bit. I bet it would still sound fantastic. I really like my M6 with my portable AE610.
That would be my guess also. The AE410 can most likely handle a bit more punishment, and the M6/M9 can really pump out the deep low end. IMO, they benefit from the tightest voiced cab you can get your hands on. The M9 has that extra EQ that is very nice, but the relatively small and high SPL AE212 doesn't really need that sort of heavy metal to get the job done.
I had so much fun hanging with Jason on Sunday, that I was inspired to do another slap clip with the A-C LG5 and the AE212/F500.
While my time and execution are a little wonky (not much call for slap style playing any more... getting a bit rusty!), I LOVE the tone of this rig and bass for that 'older school' slap tone. You can really hear that nice alder/RW with singles growl in the last part of the video where I blessedly stay below the 5th fret
This rig kills!
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While my time and execution are a little wonky (not much call for slap style playing any more... getting a bit rusty!), I LOVE the tone of this rig and bass for that 'older school' slap tone. You can really hear that nice alder/RW with singles growl in the last part of the video where I blessedly stay below the 5th fret
This rig kills!
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I had so much fun hanging with Jason on Sunday, that I was inspired to do another slap clip with the A-C LG5 and the AE212/F500.
While my time and execution are a little wonky (not much call for slap style playing any more... getting a bit rusty!), I LOVE the tone of this rig and bass for that 'older school' slap tone. You can really hear that nice alder/RW with singles growl in the last part of the video where I blessedly stay below the 5th fret
This rig kills!
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Cool. Kinda reminds me of early Verdine White, when he used to put those little " burp " riffs in EWF tunes. I would love to hear this rig in a band mix to see how it cuts through.
From my experience with the Shuttle 6 and the AE410... killer! I'd love to hear that. The Shuttle amps are in the same tone universe to me as the F1/F500... tight, bright (the Shuttles are even brighter), but still nice and warm and musical. The 6 with the AE410 sounds great... a bit more grindy than the F1/F500, but similar articulation and 'exactness' to the tone.
I'd love to hear that combination, since the 9 has a bit more fatness down low and plenty of watts!
Man, I loved my shuttle 9.0 through my AE410 so I bet it would sound great. Nice portable rig too.
Still not sure what this means. Lower tuning means smoother bottom. Large ports with the same depth = higher tuning. Higher tuning usually means more bottom with a more rapid rolloff, and can often mean more upper bass if the tuning is too high (for a boomier sound).
Regarding the TecAmp s212:
All I know is that the newer model is the same size (same box) with massive rear ports (at least triple the port area of the original) versus the small front triangle port of the original. It sounds very different... much, much more deep bass response, and WAY more polite in the upper mids. They could have made a driver change, which wouldn't surprise me. The only reason I describe the two cabs by the port design is that is the only way you can visually tell them apart... otherwise, they look identical, and since you can't even see the little triangle port in the front of the cab due to the dense, dark grill, the only way to tell the current from the old design is to look in the back of the cab.
The main reason I brought it up at all is that all my Tecamp clips on Youtube are made with the older cab design, and should not be used as a meaningful example of tone if considering the current s212, which again sounds smoother, deeper, and more polite all around. The 212 combo cab, which is also identical in size and look to the s212, is different yet again, since it has the 'rear port' design, and a mid driver versus the tweeter and switchable crossover design of the stand-alone s212. Whew!
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