Bergantino NV212T

[pfschim]

Just wanted to clarify my earlier post.

When pushing my V4b reissue through the Nv212, ultra low on, bass past 12 o'clock, i could get the cab to brown out. This is not the cab's fault. This is me pushing 100watts as clean as i could get it until the amp hit it's limit. The av212 did the same only distorted differently tone wise. Otherwise, both cabs are rated at 99 spl and performed equally well clean volume wise until the amp reached its limit. 100w Will only get you so far. Tone wise, each cab has it's distinct colour.

When pushed with 400w at 8 ohms, the Nv212 was no slouch and welcomed all the power. It was punchy and authorotative with unlacking full lows down to open E, rolling off but solid down to low B. There was no brown out with a powerful amp pushing it.

wouldn't you think that it was the V4B going into OD mode vs the NV212t 'browning out" ? The cab is rated for 400w@8ohms, and IME Jim's ratings are very honest. So I'm guessing you were not pushing the cab even close to driver distortion with the 100w V4B.

 

[U4EA]

wouldn't you think that it was the V4B going into OD mode vs the NV212t 'browning out" ? The cab is rated for 400w@8ohms, and IME Jim's ratings are very honest. So I'm guessing you were not pushing the cab even close to driver distortion with the 100w V4B.

That's exactly what i was trying to say. I guess i'm using the wrong terminology. Congrats on your new cab by the way.

 

[cacio]

Can you post a pic of the V4b over the nv212?
Thanks

 

[U4EA]

Can you post a pic of the V4b over the nv212?
Thanks

a wan anda two a. I just acquired a second one used a couple days ago. I'm set for cabs for a while

 

[pfschim]

a wan anda two a. I just acquired a second one used a couple days ago. I'm set for cabs for a while
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modular sealed 4x12 rig. pretty cool! plus now that 100w V4B has plenty of drivers to push so it will stay clean further up the power band.

Way more cab than I need these days but I can still see the cool factor here.

The 8ohm rating was the only thing that gave me pause about the NV212t. My beloved Mesa Walkabout only does ~165w at 8ohms, but I have a Mesa WD800 when I need more clean power/volume.

 

[U4EA]

Way more cab than i probably need also. I was actually searching for an nv610 but when i heard these were being discontinued, i had to snag a local used one that came along. You only live once, and i had to experience the full package... WoW.
Surprisingly very good volume with the Walkabout and one cab also and the way it responds to Walkabout low frequencies, full and creamy as one put it. Lots of adequate options for V4b which sounds stellar with both cabs. All i need now is a big gig before i blow my windows out .

 

[Scott Lynch]

I just picked one of these up and wow, I am blown away. This is my first sealed cab and I can. not. wait. to get it out on a gig sometime soon.

I've recently been gigging an EA Doubler 2 and am really impressed with how it sounded, not only cranked up but at lower volumes - it does "quiet" surprisingly well. I want to experiment with some new amps and am going for a 'tubier' type sound. Here's what I'm thinking:

Aguilar DB751 - an endgame amp with an incredible reputation. I have no doubt that I'd love it but I worry that the weight would get old fast. Yes, I realize the NV212T weighs 70 lbs and that I'm a hypocrite for suggesting this. I also worry that it would simply be too much amp for me most of the time. Loud is good and great when playing outdoors, but quiet is a necessity sometimes for the work I do. These days it's primarily corporate/wedding type gigs.

Aguilar TH700 - A lot of folks in the Aggie camp seem to rave about the TH heads. At 1/8 of the weight of the DB, it seems like a more practical choice. I worry, though, that I will regret never having tried the DB751.

Mesa W/D800/+ - I briefly had a WD800 but took it back to the store after a couple of gigs. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't give it enough of a chance. The Subway heads could be a whole different experience with this cab.

What say you? And what else should be on my list?

 

[jthisdell]

I used to have a TH500 with a sealed NV115 and it was sweet.

 

[Chadwick123]

I just picked one of these up and wow, I am blown away. This is my first sealed cab and I can. not. wait. to get it out on a gig sometime soon.

I've recently been gigging an EA Doubler 2 and am really impressed with how it sounded, not only cranked up but at lower volumes - it does "quiet" surprisingly well. I want to experiment with some new amps and am going for a 'tubier' type sound. Here's what I'm thinking:

Aguilar DB751 - an endgame amp with an incredible reputation. I have no doubt that I'd love it but I worry that the weight would get old fast. Yes, I realize the NV212T weighs 70 lbs and that I'm a hypocrite for suggesting this. I also worry that it would simply be too much amp for me most of the time. Loud is good and great when playing outdoors, but quiet is a necessity sometimes for the work I do. These days it's primarily corporate/wedding type gigs.

Aguilar TH700 - A lot of folks in the Aggie camp seem to rave about the TH heads. At 1/8 of the weight of the DB, it seems like a more practical choice. I worry, though, that I will regret never having tried the DB751.

Mesa W/D800/+ - I briefly had a WD800 but took it back to the store after a couple of gigs. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't give it enough of a chance. The Subway heads could be a whole different experience with this cab.

What say you? And what else should be on my list?

If you haven't seen some of my comments above... I have two NV212Ts and I have gigged the heck out of them during the past two years (sometimes just one cab, sometimes both). Trust me when I tell you that the Aguilar db751 and the NV212T is probably the greatest pairing of amp and cab I have ever heard in my life. The sealed nature of the cab and its particular voicing just takes out all the wonky sub lows of the Aguilar and adds a lot of immediate transient attack. The cab acts like a natural high pass filter on the amp. What you wind up with is a very balanced iteration of that pillowy Aguilar tone that is super warm and smooth.

As a matter of fact, I had been playing the Forte HP for several months straight at home this year with the NV212T, and just recently took out the Aguilar 751 to change things up and it's been heaven, especially because I am going through a major vintage 60s tones kick lately.

But really, if you like the Aggie sound, I can't imagine any cab that would sound better than the NV212T with it. Except maybe one of the other NVs! In fact, Jim steered me towards the NVs after patiently listening to me explain my qualms with the db751 through other cabs. Man was he right.

 

[mwbonsall]

I just picked one of these up and wow, I am blown away. This is my first sealed cab and I can. not. wait. to get it out on a gig sometime soon.

I've recently been gigging an EA Doubler 2 and am really impressed with how it sounded, not only cranked up but at lower volumes - it does "quiet" surprisingly well. I want to experiment with some new amps and am going for a 'tubier' type sound. Here's what I'm thinking:

Aguilar DB751 - an endgame amp with an incredible reputation. I have no doubt that I'd love it but I worry that the weight would get old fast. Yes, I realize the NV212T weighs 70 lbs and that I'm a hypocrite for suggesting this. I also worry that it would simply be too much amp for me most of the time. Loud is good and great when playing outdoors, but quiet is a necessity sometimes for the work I do. These days it's primarily corporate/wedding type gigs.

Aguilar TH700 - A lot of folks in the Aggie camp seem to rave about the TH heads. At 1/8 of the weight of the DB, it seems like a more practical choice. I worry, though, that I will regret never having tried the DB751.

Mesa W/D800/+ - I briefly had a WD800 but took it back to the store after a couple of gigs. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't give it enough of a chance. The Subway heads could be a whole different experience with this cab.

What say you? And what else should be on my list?

Bergantino Bamp, Forte or Forte HP.

Mark

 

[Rockbobmel]

Aguilar DB751 - an endgame amp with an incredible reputation. I have no doubt that I'd love it but I worry that the weight would get old fast. Yes, I realize the NV212T weighs 70 lbs and that I'm a hypocrite for suggesting this. I also worry that it would simply be too much amp for me most of the time. Loud is good and great when playing outdoors, but quiet is a necessity sometimes for the work I do. These days it's primarily corporate/wedding type gigs.

Aguilar TH700 - A lot of folks in the Aggie camp seem to rave about the TH heads. At 1/8 of the weight of the DB, it seems like a more practical choice. I worry, though, that I will regret never having tried the DB751.

I'm not you but here is what I would do if I were. Buy both- somehow- and sell the one you don't like. I went all tube and lug a 60 lb head and 60 lb cab because I'm happy with it. It hit me right out of the gate as "This is IT!!" I did not have to wonder about giving it a chance. Let's put it this way..... You don't have to guess when you're in love. You KNOW it. I never played the DB751. Never played the Crest CA9. But I'm pretty sure I would like them. In the same vain, I tried 2 different Mesa 400+ amps at different eras, hoping to love them but they did not do it for me because of the voicing. Same with the PV VB-2. That's just me though.

 

[Scott Lynch]

If you haven't seen some of my comments above... I have two NV212Ts and I have gigged the heck out of them during the past two years (sometimes just one cab, sometimes both). Trust me when I tell you that the Aguilar db751 and the NV212T is probably the greatest pairing of amp and cab I have ever heard in my life. The sealed nature of the cab and its particular voicing just takes out all the wonky sub lows of the Aguilar and adds a lot of immediate transient attack. The cab acts like a natural high pass filter on the amp. What you wind up with is a very balanced iteration of that pillowy Aguilar tone that is super warm and smooth.

As a matter of fact, I had been playing the Forte HP for several months straight at home this year with the NV212T, and just recently took out the Aguilar 751 to change things up and it's been heaven, especially because I am going through a major vintage 60s tones kick lately.

But really, if you like the Aggie sound, I can't imagine any cab that would sound better than the NV212T with it. Except maybe one of the other NVs! In fact, Jim steered me towards the NVs after patiently listening to me explain my qualms with the db751 through other cabs. Man was he right.

Yes, I read your earlier posts! They’re one of the reasons the Aggie DB/Berg NV pairing is on my list.

How is the volume control on the DB751? I play a lot of events where I don’t know how much amp I’m going to need. Sometimes I am outdoors with no PA support, sometimes I am in a pretty small space. I recently sold a Genzler Magellan 800. It’s an amazing amp but through 2 12s it just got so loud so quickly - I’m guessing the master volume is an audio taper pot. The master on my Doubler is linear taper so it’s much easier to get a wider range of volumes, even with the NV212T.

 

[Scott Lynch]

Bergantino Bamp, Forte or Forte HP.

Mark

I’m intrigued by the Forte HP. I’ve head Berg amps described as clean and pristine - I feel like my EA covers that already. Does the Drive control on the HP do a tube amp-type sound well? Also, how is the master volume control? Is it easy to dial in both quiet and loud tones?

 

[pfschim]

I run my Berg 212t with the Mesa WD800 and a Walkabout depending on volume needs. Both sound great through the excellent 212t ... both amps deliver lots of that
'tube amp thru a sealed cab" thing ...

 

[Scott Lynch]

I run my Berg 212t with the Mesa WD800 and a Walkabout depending on volume needs. Both sound great through the excellent 212t ... both amps deliver lots of that
'tube amp thru a sealed cab" thing ...

I saw that you use the WA and WD800 with the NV212T. I remember really liking how the input gain stage responded to different levels, I dig the Baxandall style EQ with the passive mid and the linear taper on the master volume is a must for me. It would be great to experiment with the damping control now that I’ve got a sealed cab.

My local store has a WD-800 in stock. I may be taking my new NV212T over there to test it out sometime soon....

 

[mwbonsall]

I’m intrigued by the Forte HP. I’ve head Berg amps described as clean and pristine - I feel like my EA covers that already. Does the Drive control on the HP do a tube amp-type sound well? Also, how is the master volume control? Is it easy to dial in both quiet and loud tones?

More like powerful and accurate, no baked in sound. All Jim’s amps can be as clean as you want, but they have overdrive, crunch and compression you can dial in as needed. They do the vintage tube sound excellent with the new BFT profile. Plus there are always firmware updates to keep the amps from becoming obsolete. You should really take a look.

The master volume is smooth and linear.

Mark

 

[Chadwick123]

Yes, I read your earlier posts! They’re one of the reasons the Aggie DB/Berg NV pairing is on my list.

How is the volume control on the DB751? I play a lot of events where I don’t know how much amp I’m going to need. Sometimes I am outdoors with no PA support, sometimes I am in a pretty small space. I recently sold a Genzler Magellan 800. It’s an amazing amp but through 2 12s it just got so loud so quickly - I’m guessing the master volume is an audio taper pot. The master on my Doubler is linear taper so it’s much easier to get a wider range of volumes, even with the NV212T.

There is a master gain and a master volume knob. I generally keep the gain around 9-10 o'clock because it seems to be the right balance between a nice hot input signal into the tube(s) and lack of hiss (overkill), and at that gain setting I swear anything past 9 o'clock on the master volume you will feel in your guts. Playing at home, I can feather the master volume and be plenty loud. I've probably never taken the master volume past 11 o'clock live before without getting serious stink eye from the guitarists. They don't call it a lead sled for nothing!

 

[pfschim]

I saw that you use the WA and WD800 with the NV212T. I remember really liking how the input gain stage responded to different levels, I dig the Baxandall style EQ with the passive mid and the linear taper on the master volume is a must for me. It would be great to experiment with the damping control now that I’ve got a sealed cab.

My local store has a WD-800 in stock. I may be taking my new NV212T over there to test it out sometime soon....

when using the WD800 with the NV212t I set the damping control to Low. IME/IMO the WD800 Damping control is certainly subtle, but does tend to be more noticeable at higher Master Vol levels. By contrast, when I run the WD800 into my Berg CN212 (another favorite cab) I mostly set the Damping Control to High to get the best out of that combination.

If you get a chance to try the WD800 with your NV212t, make sure (if possible) to work with different combinations of Gain and Master. Mesa and Agedhorse suggest setting the Master to 12:00 to start and Gain to taste. This is a good starting point, but will make the amp quite loud if you want to push the Gain into any level of OD. So, I would try it both ways ... Master at 12:00 and Gain to taste, then Gain pushed to the point where the OD light comes on about 25% of the time (this will depend on how hot your input signal is) ... then bring the Master up to where you think your live playing level will be. I have found these 2 adjustments on the WD800 really change the nature of the amp quite a bit .... then there is all of the usual Mesa B/M/T + PEq controls to play with.

I can also say that the NV212t also pairs wonderfully with my Fender Studio Bass amp. 180w all tube Fender ultralinear amp from the '70's.

Great cab. Enjoy!

 

[Bassickfunk76]

And a NV112 !!!!!

Well finally you have your NV410T! It just came out!