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Bergantino vs Schroeder Cabs

#61
Well, I am playing a Sadowsky J mostly these days. Yes, the NV610 and AE212 are different; but, that difference works in favor of the Sadowsky J with the AE212.

If I were playing a P, I might likely come to a different conclusion. Really depends on what kind of sound you are going for, and the yin-yang between the amp and the instrument.
 
#62
FWIW, here are a couple of videos to demonstrate the sound of the AE212 as I am using it. This sound is precisely what I am after. The NV610 also does this well.

Different players and different axes will change the equation.
 
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I see alot of builders finally zeroing in on what most bassists need, which is a more mid-focused sound. Thats a good thing and Im sure that within one more year, there will be a good handful of cabs that I could buy "off the shelf" and be totally happy with. Mid-focused, light, 8ohm cabs. Thats what I want.
 
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kringle77 said:
Im so surprised that you like botht he ae212 and nv610. I bought the 2x12 in hopes of replacing the nv610 and it just wasn't happening. Too much low end, not enough midrange character. The fact that the schroeders are voiced with more mids and that the 212pl is supposed to have a fatter bottom than some of their other cabs, Im thinking that it could actually work for me.

As a reference, I thought that hs210 had an annoying honk around 800hz, the ht210 was too modern, the nv412 was the best overall but I really missed the compressed feel of the nv610 so, thats what I stuck with. I probably should have just kept the nv412 and had lds build me a pair of sealed 2x12 cabs to use the drivers in. That may have worked well to get an awsome 412 vertical stack. Oh well.
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I hate to say this bro, but it sounds to me that you are quite particular about your tone preferences in a cab. Therefore, I have a feeling the schroe just won't tick your boxes. Hopefully, I am wrong, but I would be surprised.
 
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I see alot of builders finally zeroing in on what most bassists need, which is a more mid-focused sound.
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I agree with this, more players are focusing on the mids because we are becoming better educated and realise that what might sound good and deep to us on stage will likely sound like mud five to ten metres away in the audience. Hence the desire for tight, prominent mids which will be perceived deeper further away. Don't dismiss fifteens in the desire for this, my old Mesa Diesel 215 cab with EVs had more prominent upper mids than any I have played. My fave rave Bergantino NV215 has a 6" midrange driver which gives it a naturally full range sound. All that said, my memories of fifteen inch cabs containing JBL E140s with a Fender Bassman 100 head in the seventies are of a decidedly muddy tone which I would not accept today (mind you I was building my own cabinets in those days with very little idea of cab science :hiding: ;).
 
#68
Bucephylus, the clips with the ae212 is pretty much how I remember it sounding. The schroeder clips are much more what I would go for. The throaty midrange sound that cuts through. I'd probably add alittle more top end. I could hear alittle bit of boom but, not much. Thanks for the clips! They actually make me have some hope for the schroeder 212pl.
 
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kringle77 said:
Bucephylus, the clips with the ae212 is pretty much how I remember it sounding. The schroeder clips are much more what I would go for. The throaty midrange sound that cuts through. I'd probably add alittle more top end. I could hear alittle bit of boom but, not much. Thanks for the clips! They actually make me have some hope for the schroeder 212pl.
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No sweat. There are pretty significant differences between each of our tonal goals. Kind of foolish to make blanket statements about this or that cab. It all has to be taken in the context of the gig, player etc. Glad that helped. I know I have to listen to playback to get it right.
 
#71
Luv my Schroeder 12-12 L 8 ohm (the old style in the one 12" Folded style cabinet). Super small foot print, real light weight Neo design, and totally smoking punchy sound. Been running with my big rig with an Epifani 3-10 UL cab with the new dual voice coil drivers. That rig is Demeter HPB1 preamp and a Crown XLS 1500 it smokes most everything I've heard before and on the stages that I gig on. Even outdoors. Sound guys are always amazed.

I'm working on adding a smaller portable set up with a new Schroeder 12 PL cab. Single 12" B&C ported with response down to 35 hz. and still handle the power. That way I can haul the 12-12 L cab and the 12 PL cab and still get some smoke from the full Crown rig. Or pair the whole thing down to my Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 or 3.0 heads with the 12PL and do some small practice rooms or club gigs. And with a 12-12L cab and a 12PL cab, that can cover a lot of rooms. Fretted kicking or fretless mellow.

Jorg is the man. And makes some of the best. Luv the portability and the punch the Schroeder cabs deliver. And believe me, after years of toting 18" and 15" folded horns, six 10" cabs, and four 10" cabs all these decades, a welcome opportunity for bassists to lighten the load. After all, at 63 yrs. old and still rocking it out, we need all the help we can in making through those late night gigs, with a superior bass punch sound, that still goes home in the back of the Toyota Matrix. Peace out.
 
#73
I've owned and toured with multiple examples of both. The bergs are built to a higher standard in terms of bracing, components (best X-Over and tweeter in the business). The Schroeders are LOUD. Like incredibly loud in a mix. Both Jorg and Jim are wonderful to do business with and think the world of them both.
 
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#74
jdwinva said:
In my experience comparing Bergantino to Schroder is like asking to compare a brand new Mazarati with a 74 VW Bug. The Bergantino is king. I've owned both. Yes Schro is loud as hell but sounds like nails on a chalkboard compared to a Bergie.
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I'm a Berg fanboi, so I thought it would be gratuitous for me to say that, but thanks for saying it. BTW, it's "Maserati."
 
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#75
I am also thinking about the brands: the shops here in Osaka Japan have VERY FEW of EITHER BRAND, so there is no way to sit and compare. A blind date, as one person here put it, is the situation.

I haven't found many bass cabs I like to be honest; as a new bassist it has been hard enough to find an AMP that suited me, let alone a cab. I have only heard theSchroeder Mini 8L with a Puma 900, and then with my Mesa D-800....in the studio I practice in we use 410 cabs by a company called Weed, and the bottom end is not there for me.

I think it is so hard to pick an amp and cab for bass when you can't play with a band to test it.......
 
#76
Zombie Resurrection! Now let's throw in the AudioKinesis H1203's and Baer 112's! :)

A lot must have changed in the five years since this thread has started. I hear great things about all four of these brands. Comments from any TB'ers?

Thanks! :thumbsup:
 
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alaskaleftybass said:
Zombie Resurrection! Now let's throw in the AudioKinesis H1203's and Baer 112's! :)

A lot must have changed in the five years since this thread has started. I hear great things about all four of these brands. Comments from any TB'ers?

Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Instead of one AE212, I now have two AE212's. And an HD112. Mix and match as needed. Those with the new Bergantino B|Amp, and I've pretty much stopped looking at speaker cabs; though there are some newer interesting ones.
 
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bucephylus said:
Instead of one AE212, I now have two AE212's. And an HD112. Mix and match as needed. Those with the new Bergantino B|Amp, and I've pretty much stopped looking at speaker cabs; though there are some newer interesting ones.
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Thank you @bucephylus . Any other Berg and Schroeder users out there? I'm interested in A/B comparisons....
 
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