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Berhinger, good or bad?

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skoti89

Feb 23, 2006
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Well, I played a berhinger 450x head(not to sure about the model) with 450 watts(4ohms) and a 4x10 berhinger cab. the sound was absolutely wonderful. It almost completely mimicked an SWR workingpro 400 and 700. I play with a pick, and with all the eq set flat(on my bass also) it was aswsome. the thing is, ive heard that some berhingers brake alot. its kinda hit and miss, if you get a working one, its great, if not, then its just ****.

any personal opinions or experiences?
 
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You can do a search and you will get page after page of threads regarding Behringer. You will find that a lot of people are down on them for their backwards engineering of other companies designs and then selling them cheaper than their competition.

My experience with their stuff is related to Pro Audio gear and their BXT300 practice amp that I keep in my bedroom. I have had it for over a year and it has been problem free. It never gets moved or played beyond 4 on volume so it doesn't get much of a work out. It doesn't sound especially good though.

One of the guitarists I play with uses an Behringer LX210 guitar amp (the analog modeling one) it's been in use for over two years with dozens of gigs and is used every weekend at church. There have been no problems with it. It was purchased as a temp. replacement for his Fender Deluxe until it got repaired and he planed on keeping it as a back up. He uses it a lot now just because he likes it.

I have had good experiences with their Vitualizer Effects Processors and the older model Ultra Curve unit in our rack at church.

I think if you like it go for it.

Check out the search feature and see what comes up.

I will say that you have other choices in the $250-$300.00 range of amps. Check out the Ashdown MAG and GK Backlines. Used Peavey MAX heads are good buys as well.
 
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hey, thanks. yeah, ive been thinking about GK(backline and used RB series) and ashdown for a while now. ive tried the backline 600, I dont think i liked it very much(but anything sounds better than my crate). i like a bright tone with punch. i pushed the deep funtion witht the contour on and it was great. it might just be the backline series, but i didnt like the tone, but ive heard bands with GK RB series, and i like it.
thanks
 
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I have exactly the same setup you tried with the BX4500 head and BB410 cab (not the BA410 which are the alum cone ones - I keep hearing lots of problems about alum cones separating from the surround in ALL brands. Hartke seem to be the most reported here)

I have been gigging almost weekly with it for a year and I love it. Sounds great, performs well for me.

Just wish the cab was a bit lighter, although you should see my biceps and abs now :D

All I would say is that whatever rig you choose, just make sure you take home the one you play and then play it hard in the early stages. My experience with all electronic equipment is that if it's going to fail, it will do it early (or the day after the warranty expires!!)
 
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skoti89 said:
hey, thanks. yeah, ive been thinking about GK(backline and used RB series) and ashdown for a while now. ive tried the backline 600, I dont think i liked it very much(but anything sounds better than my crate). i like a bright tone with punch. i pushed the deep funtion witht the contour on and it was great. it might just be the backline series, but i didnt like the tone, but ive heard bands with GK RB series, and i like it.
thanks
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A hidden feature of the backlines is that you have to dial out the default "scooped" voicing -- see my web page for instructions. I think that dialing it flat puts the 600 on a level playing field with any amp out there -- assuming of course that your power needs are modest and you can get your sound with a simple 4-band EQ.
 
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I can't remember who, but there's someone with a link to an article about Behringer in their sig. It talks all about how they've been sued countless times for copying designs of other manufacturers. I remember it saying how it even copied some company's manual page by page. Be leery...
 
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skoti89 said:
Well, I played a berhinger 450x head(not to sure about the model) with 450 watts(4ohms) and a 4x10 berhinger cab. the sound was absolutely wonderful. It almost completely mimicked an SWR workingpro 400 and 700. I play with a pick, and with all the eq set flat(on my bass also) it was aswsome. the thing is, ive heard that some berhingers brake alot. its kinda hit and miss, if you get a working one, its great, if not, then its just ****.

any personal opinions or experiences?
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Although the behringer topic has been beaten to death, I still feel that I should chime in :smug:

I know many people will say "judge with your ears". But the Behringers have a terrible reputation for reliability. I played through the exact same rig as you did at the store, and lemme tell ya - I was actually diggin' the sound! It was really loud and it had a lot of lows. I then began to do some more research on behringer and noticed how many people are unhappy with them and how much problems they encounter. All the negative comments about reliability was enough to turn me away from Behringer.

I would really recommend something a little more reliable. Look into the used market if you cannot afford brand new.

I wonder if employees from Behringer ever go on this forum and read all the comments??
 
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skoti89 said:
well, if i judge by my ears, then berhinger is the best sounding amp ive heard, but it really the reliability issue thats keeping me from buying one right now. who here has personall experience(not just strories from friends or buddies)?
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If you like what you here, I say go with it, my combo still works, our other guitarists uses it at practices so he doesn't have to haul his half-stack back and forth, and no buzz when he uses it. Depends on if you think it's worth the risk, it's very probable that you'll get one in perfect working order.
 
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skoti89 said:
well, if i judge by my ears, then berhinger is the best sounding amp ive heard, but it really the reliability issue thats keeping me from buying one right now. who here has personall experience(not just strories from friends or buddies)?
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Hey skoti89, check out this thread for some real world experience with the Behringer BX3000t and 4x10 cab.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196161&highlight=travels

There are several trolls that try to derail the thread but Jellybass keeps it going.
 
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In my experience Behringer is quite reliable. It is believed that they copy designs from other well known manufacturers. if that is true, the benefit for you is that you don't have to pay for their R&D...because they don't. A lot of people are boycotting their stuff because of this reason, to each his own. I personally believe that they are offering a decent product at a reasonable price. Let's face it, most of these manufacturers are over inflating there prices. Not to mention that most of these products don't feature revolutionary designs, most audio electronics are pretty straight forward.

my $0.02.

Use your ears...if you like it, buy it.
 
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spectorbass83 said:
Although the behringer topic has been beaten to death, I still feel that I should chime in :smug:

I know many people will say "judge with your ears". But the Behringers have a terrible reputation for reliability. I played through the exact same rig as you did at the store, and lemme tell ya - I was actually diggin' the sound! It was really loud and it had a lot of lows. I then began to do some more research on behringer and noticed how many people are unhappy with them and how much problems they encounter. All the negative comments about reliability was enough to turn me away from Behringer.

I would really recommend something a little more reliable. Look into the used market if you cannot afford brand new.

I wonder if employees from Behringer ever go on this forum and read all the comments??
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This keeps coming up in the Forums, so I spent the time and went through the forums making a list of reliability complaint threads for different amps, and the winner was actually one of the leading up market brands for heads, and another lower end manufacturer for cabs. Behringer did not come close to top 5 in either head or cab.

Now this is a completely ad hoc way to measure reliability, but it does illustrate the bias people have. More complaints about 'X' but it's expensive, quality gear so we can forgive them. Behringer is cheap copy junk so it's already bad to begin with.

In the end for me, I tried second hand stuff at twice the price and did not like the sound as much as the new Behringer, so I went with it. I'm happy so far, but YMMV.
 
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skoti89 said:
well, if i judge by my ears, then berhinger is the best sounding amp ive heard, but it really the reliability issue thats keeping me from buying one right now. who here has personall experience(not just strories from friends or buddies)?
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I played many gigs with a complete Behringer rig - 300watt head, 2x10, 1x15 cabs. I'd call it a very good experience.

Sold the rig recently, but only sold it because I'm too much of a wimp to keep hauling it. :)
 
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One other thing -
it really depends on what you can Afford.

For a person with very limited funds, I really do consider Behringer a viable option.

If your funds are less limited, but all means, Spend It :)
and buy higher end stuff.

If I was Bill Gates, I wouldn't buy Behringer.
But I'm not.
 
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