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Double Bass Best 100wt Bass Amp?

I think where I'm confused: I am assuming that equipment is more efficient than it used to be and that would translate to more sound per watt than before. Maybe it has to do with ohms and resistance and try not to confuse me futher with the facts... Did I mention I'm using a preamp?

More efficient how? In terms of converting electricity from the wall socket to the speaker terminals, yes, greatly. In terms of decibels-per-pound, yes. In terms of decibel-per-watt, no.

In the "olden days," we:
a) seldom saw tube amps that made more than 100 watts and transistor amps that made more than 200 (and they were rated by different standards, but that's another discussion);
b) didn't put all the instruments through PAs, so amps had to produce more volume; speakers and their enclosures were larger because more speaker-cone area means more decibels;
c) were more satisfied with low fidelity as long it was loud enough. The mighty SVT is not high-fi but it sure is loud;
d) didn't have drivers which could handle more than 100 watts, and as driver size decreased, their power handling decreased.

Nowadays, we like small, light, and higher fidelity, and we often ask our amps to handle lower notes than before, which require more power to be accurate and audible. Higher fidelity requires headroom, the power capacity to handle output spikes accurately. An amp rated at 100 watts is perfectly adequate until you suddenly ask for the 101st watt; how will it respond? Modern drivers can handle a lot more power than older ones, but smaller speaker area translates directly to lower volume.
 
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I have 300W and 500W amps. It would be unusual to really push them on a jazz gig, but I'm never sorry that I have the headroom.

I gigged for years with a GK MB head (150W) I think. And had a few in the 200w range. They work fine for a lot of stuff, but in a bar with room noise and a heavy handed drummer, I had some rough nights. It's not so much that they can't do it, as it is that the quality of the sound degradates and maybe more importantly for me, I have trouble hearing myself. The sound makes it to the back of the room, but we have trouble hearing it on the bandstand. If you have monitors, maybe that covers it, but I don't reliably have monitors where I play.

I've played similar rooms with no amp and in some ways, I prefer that to struggling to hear the amp or keeping the tone clean, but that's always a tough night too.

Then again, there were a lot of gigs those years that low wattage amps were just fine. It's not impossible to have bad sound nights with really great amps with lots of headroom, but it happens a lot less often with better tools.

This is excellent advice. I played 100's of casuals (where volume isn't a big issue) with a GK 200MB, and since they were social gatherings (remember when those were happening!) no one was really listening to the music intently. Just like Troy says

crowds of people talking and imbibing can be really loud. So I went for more efficient speakers and 500 watts. My thinking is that you can always turn down, but there's a limit to how far you can turn up. Just my take though.
 
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Ron Carter is always a tough topic, because he's a legendary player, but seems to have never really cared about the fidelity of his amplified sound and I think he's even said some vague things to that affect as well. As a record collector, that really bugs me and I feel very differently (though I certainly wish I could play like Mr. Carter).

But, I think what he prioritizes is being able to hear himself and being able to be heard by the musicians he's playing with. It is really a critical part of playing well and locking in as an ensemble. We all would like to have it all "my bass only louder" isn't a real thing in a bar at happy hour with a blended margarita special, but modern amplification has brought us much closer to it than ever before. Bassists used to do big band swing gigs with gut strings and either no amp or maybe a Polytone. It's not impossible.
 
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You are too closely tied to the old school thinking of "watts = volume".

In a sense, all other aspects of a rig being equal, sure, more watts will get you more volume..... but not by much. 200W will NOT get you twice the volume of 100W with all other aspects of the rig being equal. It doesn't work that way.

What's my point?

Forget watts. That one number alone should have little to nothing to do with your choice of amp.

Choose an amp that has the features and tone you like (based on reviews and YouTube, etc.), and ENOUGH wattage to get the job done.. or more.

I play in a really good "dad band". We play local clubs. On occasion I do fill-in gigs on larger stages. I have an 800W amp. But I have also done plenty of gigs on the same stages with a 30W Ashdown LB30 and an Epifani UL410 cab. It gets plenty loud. Plenty.

So watta mean squat, to a certain extent. Relax when it comes to watts. If you find a 500W amp with the features you like within your budget, get it and only turn up the volume high enough for your gig.
Tha
 
I'm playing again after a long hiatus. I need a new amp. Things have changed.

Yeah, they have. I would strongly encourge you to look for something like a Acoustic Image or Eupohnic Audio head with a minimum of 300w. I bought a used EA Micro 300 here years ago for a few hundred dollars and it is 25x better than my beloved GK MB150 was. There are other makes and models as well, but I've never regretted moving into the new era.
 
Euphonic Audio and Acoustic Image are great amplifiers, if you have the funds to purchase one. Everyone has a budget they have to work within. AI and EA both have great customer service and resale value. This
is something I always take into consideration. Acoustic Image has the best customer service out there, based on what's been posted here on talk bass.
 
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I have a Fender Rumble 100, and it's been fine for cocktail gigs and even when I played DB with the local community college big band pre-Covid. I also use it with my electric bass for small outdoor gigs and at blues jams and it's always been plenty loud. I often use a 25-watt Rumble for small restaurants playing standards with piano and drums, and that one is plenty loud for those situations.
 
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For bass, i generally buy an amp with the highest wattage i can within my price, size/weight, and tonal preferences. Generally 200-500W is where i end up. I think anything under or above that is going to limit your use cases, but may be just the thing you need if you are in a special situation. 100 watt amps would not be able to keep up in most situations i play in, unfortunately, unless we are talking tube watts. Also, i don't actually play very loud gigs.

Amps have become more efficient in that they can squeeze more power into a smaller package. Gone are the days of lugging around a 50 pound head, you can now get the same amount of power in a 2-5 pound head.
 
The Rumble v3 series is one of the best bargains around. I used a Rumble 100 for small-to-medium jazz and drummerless rock-trio gigs for a couple years. It was just fine, both volume-wise and tonally, until I found something better. Now I use a Markbass 801 (an amazing little amp and only 12 lbs.) for small-to-medium gigs and an Aguilar head and Markbass 2x10 cab for outdoor.
 
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I very often get asked to turn down with this 50 watt combo, and that's in a quartet with a loud drummer
 

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I very often get asked to turn down with this 50 watt combo, and that's in a quartet with a loud drummer

If I'm not mistaken, that's a tube amp comparable to the Fender Bassman of the Sixties and many others like it. With a pair of 6L6 or EL34 power tubes, it could be rated at 40-50 watts RMS, so it will produce up to roughly twice that transiently (headroom). AND it's served by a pretty efficient speaker.
 
For the record my current set up is BAM 200 with crazy 8. Nice rig, light, and never need to really use the ext. cab for DB. Loved the GB Shuttle 3.0 for BG and DB but those are few and far between since they don't make them anymore. I am also in the camp of smaller cabs for DB.

Changing the 8 ohm Chinese driver in my little 10” cabinet for a 4 ohm Eminence made a tremendous difference with the Bam 200. Other than impedance the specs are fairly close so I attribute a lot to getting the most out of the tiny amp. That combination is more than adequate for most gigs. Like Ric, I do clubs and private functions (sometimes in large ballrooms). Occasionally, I’ll go to the PA for help.
Gobs of power just gets into feedback category in my experience .