Best 410 cabs available

[heavyd3253]

I currently have a MarkBass 104HR which I find to have a great tone overall. I don't need the horn but when I've used it with fuzz its very very clear and strong. i normally keep the horn switch turned all the way down though and use a low pass filter to trim everything above 2K anyway.

One thing I don't like, however, is the color scheme of the MarkBass. In my college band it was fine but now that I'm 35 and playing with classic rock cover band I feel like it looks out of place. I currently also have an Aguilar 210SL and 112DB as well as a Barefaced 210 on the way. So I want to get another 410 to replace the MarkBass and have been trying to decide between a few higher end companies. I'm leaning most towards the Aguilar 410SL. I would get the DB if weight wasn't an issue but 98 lbs is just crazy when lighter options are available. Also being considered is a Bergantino NXV410. I mostly use a Bergantino Forte HP but also use a Mesa 800TT and MarkBass Little Mark Tube 800 occasionally. The Bergantino cab is a little bigger than the Aguilar with the unique speaker layout but it seems to be manageable in size and weight.

I haven't received my Barefaced 210 yet but I have considered another 210 or a separate 410. The only problem i see is that 2 210s running at 12 ohms each would be 6 ohms which isn't maximizing the amp power. I could leave them set to 4 ohms for the Berg and Mesa since they will run down to 2 ohms but it leaves out the Markbass and other heads I may acquire that can't run 2 ohms.

Are there any other premium 410s I should consider? I looked at the Genzler 410 array too but I'm not sure the 3" speakers would be any benefit if I usually cut my highs way back. Anyone have experience with the Bergantino or Barefaced that can offer feedback?

Thanks in advance

 

[Gearhead17]

In the Chicago area, I have two bass playing friends who play a Markbass 210 and a 410. The 410 (with bright orange cones) is on stage with a classic rock band, Soundgarden tribute, Aerosmith tribute, and a Faith No More tribute. The 210 was rocking out on a popular 80's cover band stage at a festival last night. Although you may think it looks out of place on stage, I believe you are overthinking it. No one is going to leave the show because the bass player's cabinet looks out of place. All the audience cares about is how the finished product sounds and how much fun they can have.

You have a 410 you like, keep it that way! I have not found another cabinet on the market that sounds like those Markbass cabs.

 

[bobyoung53]

I currently have a MarkBass 104HR which I find to have a great tone overall. I don't need the horn but when I've used it with fuzz its very very clear and strong. i normally keep the horn switch turned all the way down though and use a low pass filter to trim everything above 2K anyway.

One thing I don't like, however, is the color scheme of the MarkBass. In my college band it was fine but now that I'm 35 and playing with classic rock cover band I feel like it looks out of place. I currently also have an Aguilar 210SL and 112DB as well as a Barefaced 210 on the way. So I want to get another 410 to replace the MarkBass and have been trying to decide between a few higher end companies. I'm leaning most towards the Aguilar 410SL. I would get the DB if weight wasn't an issue but 98 lbs is just crazy when lighter options are available. Also being considered is a Bergantino NXV410. I mostly use a Bergantino Forte HP but also use a Mesa 800TT and MarkBass Little Mark Tube 800 occasionally. The Bergantino cab is a little bigger than the Aguilar with the unique speaker layout but it seems to be manageable in size and weight.

I haven't received my Barefaced 210 yet but I have considered another 210 or a separate 410. The only problem i see is that 2 210s running at 12 ohms each would be 6 ohms which isn't maximizing the amp power. I could leave them set to 4 ohms for the Berg and Mesa since they will run down to 2 ohms but it leaves out the Markbass and other heads I may acquire that can't run 2 ohms.

Are there any other premium 410s I should consider? I looked at the Genzler 410 array too but I'm not sure the 3" speakers would be any benefit if I usually cut my highs way back. Anyone have experience with the Bergantino or Barefaced that can offer feedback?

Thanks in advance

Yup, the yellow just doesn't cut it with me either and I think a lot of people. I was looking at that Genzler array cab too, but I also don't usually play with a lot of treble but it would be nice to have the spread either way and it's light. I have a really great sounding old Ampeg 410 but it weighs 128 lbs.

 

[Marko 1]

I've seen someone here put some material behind the grill that hid the yellow speakers.

If I were happy with the sound, I'd do something like that before I'd take a chance on another cab.

 

[Jeff Genzler]

@heavyd3253 ---- Welcome to TB this summer,
I noticed your post about 4x10 cabs and your consideration of several very fine models available in the market.
With your comments and those of @bobyoung53 as well, I just wanted to make sure there were no misconceptions about the Bass Array410-3 design.
While you did mention that you roll off much of what is above 2K for your tone, I would say that type of setting is a little diffferent than many players.
While I certainly understand the annoyance of some woofer/tweeter cabs, in general there is still so much clarity and detail in the 2K - 4K range, before most tweeters even begin their lowest response.
I will say that in many more basic neo loaded woofer/tweeter designs there can be a prominent spike in the response in that 2 - 4K range and i could see where someone would pull that done or out in order to have a more smooth response.
But an important thing with the Bass Array design is that the Line Array is producing so much more that "high frequencies". In all BA designs the 3" Line Array drivers roll on at approx 800Hz (and woofers roll off) and the array keeps a fairly flat response with a little bit of rise above the 8K range. While the design does offer substantial clarity and detail in the overall response ---- even in the 800 to 2 - 3K range, the Line Array column is much more efficient in reproducing those mid frequencies than a "woofer only design" in that range. All the beaming of 1K - 2K that comes off a woofers dust cap in that range is not present in the BA design, so even those lower mids have so much more smoothness and "meat" to the tone along with projection in the horizontal plane across the stage and venue, than a standard 4x10.
Even if not considering the top end clarity of a speakers system, which for your tone (and others) you don't want with a tweeter loaded cabinet, the Bass Array concept offers much more even and broad dispersion in all those frequencies that would be underneath the response curve of what a tweeter produces.

I'm offering this point of view, not as a sales pitch, but just so that we re-inforce the "uniqueness" of this very unusual bass cabinet design. Many times players see the line array as a "tweeter bank" and that is really not the case whatsover.

Anyway, I hope that this background is a little helpful for you to better discern what benefits each available cabinet design might offer for your needs.

 

[heavyd3253]

In the Chicago area, I have two bass playing friends who play a Markbass 210 and a 410. The 410 (with bright orange cones) is on stage with a classic rock band, Soundgarden tribute, Aerosmith tribute, and a Faith No More tribute. The 210 was rocking out on a popular 80's cover band stage at a festival last night. Although you may think it looks out of place on stage, I believe you are overthinking it. No one is going to leave the show because the bass player's cabinet looks out of place. All the audience cares about is how the finished product sounds and how much fun they can have.

You have a 410 you like, keep it that way! I have not found another cabinet on the market that sounds like those Markbass cabs.

It's not so much that I think it's a big deal that other people will notice as it is a combination of me not liking the look anymore. Along with that is the fact that I've had the cab since 2008 and want to see if there's anything new I'm missing. I always liked my MarkBass head but when I tried a Bergantino I was blown away. I know the crowd doesn't give a poopie about the look of the cabs and even if they did I wouldn't make the change for that reason anyway. I'm not going to toss my MarkBass stuff out, I just want to see what's out there that could be an upgrade.

 

[heavyd3253]

I've seen someone here put some material behind the grill that hid the yellow speakers.

If I were happy with the sound, I'd do something like that before I'd take a chance on another cab.

That's actually a really good idea that I didn't think of. I'm sure other people have tried different things to mask the speakers. Maybe I could even find someone to replace the grill with cloth or try to fit black cloth over the grill myself.

 

[two fingers]

Two words. Mesa Subway. If their 115 is any indication (and it SMASHES ANY other 115 I have played through in both tone and volume.... and does so in a tiny lightweight package) then the 410 should just be crazy good.

55 lbs and these really impressive stats.

 

[Altitude]

I think the 2x210 approach is the way to go here. You get more speaker closer to your ear without having to lift the 410 significantly off the ground. Plus the flexibility to carry in just one cabinet if that is enough for the gig.

I see what Barefaced is doing with the 4/12 ohm thing, but I'm not sure I agree with the breadth of the appeal. They're thinking we want to run either one or three cabinets with our 4 ohm heads, so they give us that option. But one or two cabinets seems like what most of us would want.

In your situation you can do the two cabinet thing at 6 ohms, which will work 100% fine if it's maybe a little uncommon. But in my experience more speaker surface area delivers output more effectively than more wattage, so you might never perceive a difference between 4 and 6 ohms.

 

[S-Bigbottom]

I was looking at that Genzler array cab too, but I also don't usually play with a lot of treble but it would be nice to have the spread either way and it's light.

Not a treble shooter.

The array is crossed over at 800 hz giving the mids and highs, they are paper so not the harsh highs like a horn.
Regarding spread, the mids and highs sound the same fifteen feet on the left or right of the cabs as it does standing in front of it.

 

[chadds]

Sell it to someone who likes the look and enjoy the search for another cab. There are a lot of flavors of good out there.

 

[bobyoung53]

Not a treble shooter.

The array is crossed over at 800 hz giving the mids and highs, they are paper so not the harsh highs like a horn.
Regarding spread, the mids and highs sound the same fifteen feet on the left or right of the cabs as it does standing in front of it.

Now that I would like. I'm still thinking about one, I just have so much stuff now I don't use most of it but can't stand the thought of getting rid of any of it.

 

[ardgedee]

I haven't received my Barefaced 210 yet but I have considered another 210 or a separate 410. The only problem i see is that 2 210s running at 12 ohms each would be 6 ohms which isn't maximizing the amp power.

Trying to use all the watts is kind of a distraction from your actual goal. You don't want to maximize power as much as you want to maximize volume. And that is a function of both the amplifier's power and the speaker's efficiency.

If a pair of Barefaced 210s are more efficient than another company's 410, you'll be able to go louder with the Barefaced even if the nominal impedance is higher. (...up to the maximum SPL output of each.)

 

[Juststanley]

If I had a Barefaced 210 on the way...I'd definately wait and try it...you may very well want another one !

 

[heavyd3253]

@heavyd3253 ---- Welcome to TB this summer,
I noticed your post about 4x10 cabs and your consideration of several very fine models available in the market.
With your comments and those of @bobyoung53 as well, I just wanted to make sure there were no misconceptions about the Bass Array410-3 design.
While you did mention that you roll off much of what is above 2K for your tone, I would say that type of setting is a little diffferent than many players.
While I certainly understand the annoyance of some woofer/tweeter cabs, in general there is still so much clarity and detail in the 2K - 4K range, before most tweeters even begin their lowest response.
I will say that in many more basic neo loaded woofer/tweeter designs there can be a prominent spike in the response in that 2 - 4K range and i could see where someone would pull that done or out in order to have a more smooth response.
But an important thing with the Bass Array design is that the Line Array is producing so much more that "high frequencies". In all BA designs the 3" Line Array drivers roll on at approx 800Hz (and woofers roll off) and the array keeps a fairly flat response with a little bit of rise above the 8K range. While the design does offer substantial clarity and detail in the overall response ---- even in the 800 to 2 - 3K range, the Line Array column is much more efficient in reproducing those mid frequencies than a "woofer only design" in that range. All the beaming of 1K - 2K that comes off a woofers dust cap in that range is not present in the BA design, so even those lower mids have so much more smoothness and "meat" to the tone along with projection in the horizontal plane across the stage and venue, than a standard 4x10.
Even if not considering the top end clarity of a speakers system, which for your tone (and others) you don't want with a tweeter loaded cabinet, the Bass Array concept offers much more even and broad dispersion in all those frequencies that would be underneath the response curve of what a tweeter produces.

I'm offering this point of view, not as a sales pitch, but just so that we re-inforce the "uniqueness" of this very unusual bass cabinet design. Many times players see the line array as a "tweeter bank" and that is really not the case whatsover.

Anyway, I hope that this background is a little helpful for you to better discern what benefits each available cabinet design might offer for your needs.

Jeff,
I appreciate you commenting on this. When i was looking at your website I was very intrigued by the array design but I couldn't find any data on the crossover point so I wasn't sure where the smaller drivers took over from the larger woofers. I would not have guessed 800 but now that you clarified that it makes sense that it wouldn't need to be a high point like 3-4k. I really like the idea of stronger mids because although I turn my highs way down I usually turn my mids up to cut through the mix a little better. My band currently have 3 guitar players so the highs wouldn't be heard anyway.

More importantly, is the 410 currently available? Your website says SOLD OUT

Thanks for the input,

 

[dabis]

is on stage with a classic rock band, Soundgarden tribute, Aerosmith tribute, and a Faith No More tribute.

Yee let us know your Weezer's band rig and this guy's too. I do play Aerosmith's covers with a 4x10" (SWR Goliath III)

 

[dbsfgyd1]

@heavyd3253 ---- Welcome to TB this summer,
I noticed your post about 4x10 cabs and your consideration of several very fine models available in the market.
With your comments and those of @bobyoung53 as well, I just wanted to make sure there were no misconceptions about the Bass Array410-3 design.
While you did mention that you roll off much of what is above 2K for your tone, I would say that type of setting is a little diffferent than many players.
While I certainly understand the annoyance of some woofer/tweeter cabs, in general there is still so much clarity and detail in the 2K - 4K range, before most tweeters even begin their lowest response.
I will say that in many more basic neo loaded woofer/tweeter designs there can be a prominent spike in the response in that 2 - 4K range and i could see where someone would pull that done or out in order to have a more smooth response.
But an important thing with the Bass Array design is that the Line Array is producing so much more that "high frequencies". In all BA designs the 3" Line Array drivers roll on at approx 800Hz (and woofers roll off) and the array keeps a fairly flat response with a little bit of rise above the 8K range. While the design does offer substantial clarity and detail in the overall response ---- even in the 800 to 2 - 3K range, the Line Array column is much more efficient in reproducing those mid frequencies than a "woofer only design" in that range. All the beaming of 1K - 2K that comes off a woofers dust cap in that range is not present in the BA design, so even those lower mids have so much more smoothness and "meat" to the tone along with projection in the horizontal plane across the stage and venue, than a standard 4x10.
Even if not considering the top end clarity of a speakers system, which for your tone (and others) you don't want with a tweeter loaded cabinet, the Bass Array concept offers much more even and broad dispersion in all those frequencies that would be underneath the response curve of what a tweeter produces.

I'm offering this point of view, not as a sales pitch, but just so that we re-inforce the "uniqueness" of this very unusual bass cabinet design. Many times players see the line array as a "tweeter bank" and that is really not the case whatsover.

Anyway, I hope that this background is a little helpful for you to better discern what benefits each available cabinet design might offer for your needs.

Thanks for the info. I had no idea.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

I think the 2x210 approach is the way to go here. You get more speaker closer to your ear without having to lift the 410 significantly off the ground. Plus the flexibility to carry in just one cabinet if that is enough for the gig.

I see what Barefaced is doing with the 4/12 ohm thing, but I'm not sure I agree with the breadth of the appeal. They're thinking we want to run either one or three cabinets with our 4 ohm heads, so they give us that option. But one or two cabinets seems like what most of us would want.

In your situation you can do the two cabinet thing at 6 ohms, which will work 100% fine if it's maybe a little uncommon. But in my experience more speaker surface area delivers output more effectively than more wattage, so you might never perceive a difference between 4 and 6 ohms.

I love my (2) 210 setup. (See avatar) Mine are both 8ohm, and when run together is a 4 ohm load. The cabs are a little heavy by today’s standards (heavy steel grill and big magnets), but the cabs are very well designed, extremely durable and the handles and location make them easy to move about.

Also, having not to take a 410 cab to a 210 event is huge plus.

 

[Aloe]

wait for your two10s. if you'll love it and worry about 6 ohms vs 4, consider a 4 ohm six10

 

[heavyd3253]

I love my (2) 210 setup. (See avatar) Mine are both 8ohm, and when run together is a 4 ohm load. The cabs are a little heavy by today’s standards (heavy steel grill and big magnets), but the cabs are very well designed, extremely durable and the handles and location make them easy to move about.

Also, having not to take a 410 cab to a 210 event is huge plus.

I see you're using Eden amps and cabs. Dirk Lance from Incubus was the first bassist I heard that made me want to pick up the bass over guitar. His tone is literally perfect using all Edens. His rig was a little insane though.