You're 100% right. The 6 ohm impedance won't really matter with the efficiency of the Barefaced cabs. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Best 410 cabs available
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I own a Barefaced four 10 and a Two 10. Best tens I have ever played through in 50 odd years of gigging. Since you already have a Two 10 on the way I would try it then if it ticks the boxes get another for a modular Four 10.
I ran two 210XSTs for 15 years. That is an excellent setup.
I sold mine to switch to something lighter, as those are great cabs but not light, as you say. Ironically I soon after moved to all-IEMs on most of my gigs so I don't normally carry any cabinets at all. At this point I wish I'd saved the $ and kept the XSTs.
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About 12 years ago, a band I worked with from the 70s until the mid 90s decided to have a reunion concert and all the former members were invited to play. The bassist that was working with the band at that time decided he didn’t want to do the gig, and I have no rig.
So, a buddy of mine offered to lend me his WT-800 and his D-210xlt. Up to that point I was a huge Ampeg fan having had several rigs over the years, but I got to tell you, what a revelation when I hit the power button.
So, a buddy of mine offered to lend me his WT-800 and his D-210xlt. Up to that point I was a huge Ampeg fan having had several rigs over the years, but I got to tell you, what a revelation when I hit the power button.
I have always been a 4X10 guy (owned many different brands) and I have settled on the Genzler Bass Array. My band always has full PA support but we run things as minimal as possible. That includes a single monitor set up at the front of the stage (we're a trio) for vocals only. Part of my reasoning for getting the BA was for the sound dispersion it provides. I used to lose a lot of volume with previous cabs when I would get to either side of it. With the Genzler I can move around and still hear myself and the other guys can hear me much better as well. I also like the 'smoothness' of the mids/highs compared to a tweeter loaded cab. It is a very balanced cabinet all the way across the spectrum. It weighs just a little over 50lbs so it's an easy move too. It's just a great cabinet all the way around. Here's a shot from this past Saturday night....
I think when you’re comparing the Mesa, Genzler, Berg, Aguilar, you’re really just dealing with preference. They’re all going to be great, just with different flavors. How many people have actually compared two or more of these with everything else equal? Same bass, head, location, etc. The only 410 I’ve played recently was the Aguilar SL, but it was at a venue with a different amp and it was on wheels. I wasn’t a big fan, it sounded very bright to me. But that doesn’t really mean anything since I didn’t get to compare it to anything else in that setting.
If it were me, I would probably get the Genzler or Berg, simply because I have a few Genzler cabs, some BA, and I’m very impressed. The Berg, I would get because I have heard so many people say that their 410s are incredible. But really, you’re not going to make a bad choice here.
If it were me, I would probably get the Genzler or Berg, simply because I have a few Genzler cabs, some BA, and I’m very impressed. The Berg, I would get because I have heard so many people say that their 410s are incredible. But really, you’re not going to make a bad choice here.
Most of the new you are missing won't be 4x10's. it is the 2x cabs and super 15's and such.
Not sure painting speaker cones is the best idea though...Black spray paint fixes colors
I have owned and used so much gear, that I actually sometimes forget that I had a particular piece of gear!
I've owned many 4-10 cabs, and a lot of bass speaker cabinets. SVT's Sunn, Sunn and Cerwin Vega folded horns- Bill Fitzmaurice, Schroeder, Mesa, Epifani EA, Carvin BRX- I still have them. My last count was 10 in my inventory. So, what does this 70 year old 50 year super critical pro bassist use right now? Most of my gigs are in small venues- casinos, or clubs, where a decent amount of volume is needed, but there is no need for any large bass cab, including a 4-10. I take one of my Carvin BRX 10.2's. I have two. One has the very first 300 watt Eminence neos in it. The other had the later Chinese drivers- which I removed, and put in two Avatar Eminence neos with longer X-max. If I DO need a 4-10, I'll take both. Those Carvin cabs are really killer- 44 pounds- a bit heavy for neos, but those Eminence neo magnets weren't really featherweights. My now sold EA VL-210 was 74 pounds, and didn't sound nearly as good to me as the BRX cabs. These Carvins, are absolutely the best bass cabs they ever made. A lot better than their old redline stuff. I believe that two cabs stacked especially vertically, makes the bass clearer, both to the player, and to the band- and to the audience. A 4-10, onstage, will be below the level where you can really hear it. THAT, is the same issue those of us who play upright face- you cannot hear the actual pitch of your bass, unless it is amplified into a small amp- or monitor at ear level. You just cannot really hear what your sound, or volume in the room is.
I often use my Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 head, and I'd LOVE to have a Genzler Bass array cab, but I'm not really in a position to spend more money on yet more bass speaker cabinets.
I've owned many 4-10 cabs, and a lot of bass speaker cabinets. SVT's Sunn, Sunn and Cerwin Vega folded horns- Bill Fitzmaurice, Schroeder, Mesa, Epifani EA, Carvin BRX- I still have them. My last count was 10 in my inventory. So, what does this 70 year old 50 year super critical pro bassist use right now? Most of my gigs are in small venues- casinos, or clubs, where a decent amount of volume is needed, but there is no need for any large bass cab, including a 4-10. I take one of my Carvin BRX 10.2's. I have two. One has the very first 300 watt Eminence neos in it. The other had the later Chinese drivers- which I removed, and put in two Avatar Eminence neos with longer X-max. If I DO need a 4-10, I'll take both. Those Carvin cabs are really killer- 44 pounds- a bit heavy for neos, but those Eminence neo magnets weren't really featherweights. My now sold EA VL-210 was 74 pounds, and didn't sound nearly as good to me as the BRX cabs. These Carvins, are absolutely the best bass cabs they ever made. A lot better than their old redline stuff. I believe that two cabs stacked especially vertically, makes the bass clearer, both to the player, and to the band- and to the audience. A 4-10, onstage, will be below the level where you can really hear it. THAT, is the same issue those of us who play upright face- you cannot hear the actual pitch of your bass, unless it is amplified into a small amp- or monitor at ear level. You just cannot really hear what your sound, or volume in the room is.
I often use my Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 head, and I'd LOVE to have a Genzler Bass array cab, but I'm not really in a position to spend more money on yet more bass speaker cabinets.
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I personally like GK's offerings, especially the Neo 410. Mesa Subway 410 is another solid option that is light in weight and big in tone. Bergantino cabs are great as well. However, like others have said if you already have something that is working don't change it to something just because (without trying it yourself obviously) and whatever you do, do not force yourself to like something either!
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After decades of 8x10's, 6x10's, etc i'm currently running two Ampeg NEO 410 cabinets. A bit pricey but worth it in the long run. Just my opinion.
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Have you tried these? I came across them and they look impressive as far as the specs go. 29.1 lbs for a 410 is crazy. I assume they're pretty expensive but with the Euro where it's at maybe it's a good deal right now.
Haven’t played one but review for all their gear that I’ve seen is very positive. A sub 30# 410 is pretty bonkers and supposedly their heads sound gorgeous as well. Again, haven’t seen or heard one in the wild but recently read a review of someone who migrated from Trickfish to GRBass and was very very happy.
