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Best low B string in the Biz?

I'm going to be a curmudgeon for a sec: Sometimes I love the TB answers.
"Go try a Dingwall. Go try a Roscoe."
You might as well say "Go test ride a unicorn." Until TB I had never even heard of these brands and I've been at this for a while. I've never seen anyone playing either of these brands or would even begin to guess on where to go to try one out.
Happens with cabs all the time too. "Bergantino cabs are great" or "You should check out fEARful."
I'm confused. Your signature indicates that you own a Pedulla, which probably cost more than my Dingwall ABZ. Fender Custom Shop basses are always priced higher than my Dingwall, for that matter.

If you're looking for players using boutique instruments, Roscoe and Dingwall both have endorsers all over the place, as do Fodera and other brands that rarely show up in local music shops.

The same goes for availability. There are stocking dealers for brands like Roscoe and Dingwall dotted all over the US and Canada.

The internet is your friend. In my case, I would have had to travel further to find a Pedulla, than I did to test-drive a couple of Dingwalls.
 
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I'm confused. Your signature indicates that you own a Pedulla, which probably cost more than my Dingwall ABZ. Fender Custom Shop basses are always priced higher than my Dingwall, for that matter.

If you're looking for players using boutique instruments, Roscoe and Dingwall both have endorsers all over the place, as do Fodera and other brands that rarely show up in local music shops.

The same goes for availability. There are stocking dealers for brands like Roscoe and Dingwall dotted all over the US and Canada.

The internet is your friend. In my case, I would have had to travel further to find a Pedulla, than I did to test-drive a couple of Dingwalls.

Someone else brought up the Pedulla contradiction (which, for the record I never suggested, and am actually not to fond of the B on it.)
The Pedulla I have is a Rapture J2-5 that I only have because of some very specific conditions. There was a brief time in the late 90s when Mike Pedulla was trying to expand his market and toyed with getting his basses into Guitar Center. I happened to work there are the time, which means I had access to the entire chain's inventory and their true costs. I found one in the chain that had what was called devaluement dollars put into it to reduce its cost in hopes of selling it. I paid less than a grand before taxes :woot:
I never would have been able to afford it otherwise. The most expensive bass I own is a Skyline 44-02 that I purchased new in 2006 with part of a probate settlement, and actually cost more than the Pedulla.
I don't see any ABZ models on Ebay, but the one Bass Central has is around $2k.
I have never suggested a Pedulla to anyone because I know you can't find them in stores anymore.

Now to the availability of specifically Dingwall basses. In the entire state of CA, that can take an entire day to drive from its southern tip to its norther tip, has three three giant metro areas, and an economy larger than all of its neighboring states combine there is exactly two places listed on their website as a dealer, neither of which are in LA. Now I'm not bashing Dingwall exclusively for this; many high end brands of bass equipment are shockingly negligent in their product placement in CA and LA specifically. I discovered this when looking for cabs and heads.

I'm not trying to bash anyone company or anyone person's choice for their instrument. If you have the cash spend it. But I think sometimes people get lost in TB land a little when they make suggestions.
 
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A bit curmudgeonly, but its cool...have your rant...feel better? I too had never heard of Dingwall before spending time here. I said to myself: "Self...what is this Dingwall thing I keep seeing?" Searched more online, found Dingwall's website, learned the what, how, and why and it made sense to me. I certainly wouldn't spend a lot of $ on something I never had a chance to check out in person, so lucky for me I live close to the aforementioned NJ Guitar and Bass center. There I was able to demo back to back a Pedulla MVP5, A Modulus Quantum 5, and an EBMM SR5 (as a reference). The Dingwall was different, and better IMO. There was a noticeable difference without even plugging into an amp. An ABZ is the entry point for a made in Canada Dingwall, and I don't believe its any more pricey than your Pedulla. I've managed to lasso two unicorns here...maybe I should play the lottery?
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I would have thought you already did with that rig ;)

My Pedulla is a Rapture J2 5 that I bought over 17 years ago when Pedulla tried to expand their market. With hookups I was able to get it for under a grand. My Lakland 44-02 is the most expensive piece of gear I own at $1400 new.
Not that I care what people spend on their rigs. I wish I could buy the stuff I really want. I bet so do the guys at the guitar shop.
 
I would have thought you already did with that rig ;)

Touché...

didn't win the lottery...didn't quit my day job:)

Much of my gear I have owned for 20+ years. Only in the last few years I decided to try a couple new things, fueled in no small part by coming to this place, but also rationalized by the fact that I'm gigging again and getting paid. The Dingwall was one of them, the other was some of the new fangled neo cabs because I was tired of lugging around my old Hartke 410XL @ 90lbs (purchased new back in the late 80's).
 
There are lots of basses I haven't played but of the ones I have (and have gigged with):

The worst B was on my Warwick Thumb NT (mud + rubber band).
The best 34" B has been on my Sadowsky Modern, my custom Pierre Laporte and my MTD Saratoga.
The best 35" B has been on my many MTD 535s and my Status S2. Most piano-like tone? The Status and a 535 (black limba/wenge/wenge). My Lull M5V also has a great B, though it's not as "piano-like" as the aforementioned basses.
 
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I'm not trying to bash anyone company or anyone person's choice for their instrument. If you have the cash spend it. But I think sometimes people get lost in TB land a little when they make suggestions.

So, basically, if someone asks for suggestions and doesn't mention any particular limitations, responses should be kept to widely available, low priced options.

Correct?
 
So, basically, if someone asks for suggestions and doesn't mention any particular limitations, responses should be kept to widely available, low priced options.

Correct?
Yes; it is the responsibility of the person that starts the thread to set the context for the answers they are looking for.

I'm remarking at the predictable comedy that ensues.
 
Touché...

didn't win the lottery...didn't quit my day job:)

Much of my gear I have owned for 20+ years. Only in the last few years I decided to try a couple new things, fueled in no small part by coming to this place, but also rationalized by the fact that I'm gigging again and getting paid. The Dingwall was one of them, the other was some of the new fangled neo cabs because I was tired of lugging around my old Hartke 410XL @ 90lbs (purchased new back in the late 80's).
You don't have to sell me on science of light weight 12s. I was a skeptic until I got my GK NEO2 112 cabs, now I'm a true believer. I would have liked to try bergs, but the closes store was 3 hours away.

I get the science behind the Dingwall design. Longer scale, tigher B; done. They are probably great. It just makes me laugh a little when the overwhelming response is to find a four leaf clover; its just my twisted sense of humor.
 
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Well, we've certainly gotten away from the OP's original question.

He has a good, fairly expensive and unusual bass that is his benchmark, and asked what is "the best in the biz". The idea that Ken Smith, Dingwall, Knuckle, Lull, MTD, Roscoe, et al should have been left out of the conversation, strikes me as a kind of reverse snobbery.

It also would have severely shortened this thread: "well, that Warwick is awfull good. So are G&L's and Ernie Balls if you can afford them. There's a bunch of other stuff out there, but you don't want to know about it, because most of them aren't available from GC. Nothing more to see here, move along."

This is TB, and it's populated by bass enthusiasts. You see a lot of people in the "affordable fun" camp, but you also see a lot of people who love the rare and exotic.

When enthusiasts gather, you naturally see a higher proportion of the exotic- this is the nature of enthusiasm.

When I was involved in auto sports (driving a crappy little base-model Honda Civic and a succession of ratty restored bikes), I rarely saw exotic or unusual performance cars and bikes on the road, yet there were dozens of them at the club events I attended. It's the same when I drive a couple of hours to attend bass get togethers in Toronto.

As in auto sports, so it is in music. Most of the administrators and leaders on TB are "one percenters" in one way or another. Once again, it's the nature of obsession.

I don't think I'm alone when I express my appreciation for these encounters. The generosity of others allowed me to get my first drives and rides in and on cars and motorcycles that I might never have experienced. It allowed me to progress towards better cabs and amplification, and at least in the world of music, I've been able to acquire and enjoy at least a few real exotics.

Furthermore, it has extended my career as a bassist. When chronic back pain threatened to end my involvement as a working musician, it was TB'ers and small-volume vendors like Acme, Audio Image, AudioKinesis, Dingwall, Euphonic Audio, Flite, Genz-Benz, Karol, and SWR who allowed me to not only continue to play, but to see my enjoyment increase even in my "declining years". It's only through the efforts of these pioneers, that more affordable and obtainable lightweight gear from mass-market brands like G-K and Fender eventually became available.

Last but not least, used exotics are amazingly affordable, if you keep an eye out for them. I paid $225 for my SWR Studio 220, $275 for my Acme Low B, and I've passed up on other steals like an Accugroove for $345. Most of those were on sale at my LMS, and I've never lived in Meccas like New York or LA...

This is Talkbass, not "Talk affordable basses as it relates to my narrow definitions of local affordability and availability, or otherwise shut the heck up". If that's what you want, then my advice is to either confine your involvement to threads that are specifically in your area of interest (which still leaves you hundreds, even thousands of choices), or start your own forum.
 
Hahaha, sorry if I hurt your feelings in not being a fan of your Dingwall, but yes, how the instrument looks is indeed important to me, as well as how it performs. The two need not be mutually exclusive!
Unless you're buying a bass for me, I couldn't care less what you think of my Dingwall bass.

What I was pointing out was that you hadn't disclosed the real controlling factor in your decision.

Had you said "I'm looking for a traditional-looking bass with the best B-string" most people would have told you that the Lakland you already have fits the bill as well as anything, and better than most.

I wasn't objecting to your opinion, I was objecting to your logic.
 
Also: Selfishly, I wouldn't mind if Dingwalls were a little LESS sought-after.

I bought my first Dingwall in 2003 for $1200, brand spankin' new.
The same bass would list for approximately $3000 today, with a wait longer than a pregnancy.

I could bore you with a list of all of the 5-string basses (and strings, and pickups, and amps, and cabs...) that I bought and sold looking for something that would make the B-string have the same tonality as the others.

Finances are a limiting factor for most of us (and I certainly include myself in that group), but I spent a LOT more with all of that buying and selling than I did buying the Dingwall.
 
Of basses I've played, Warwick Thumb bolt-on 5 was really nice, so was a Stingray V. A Sadowsky Metro MV5 was better. My Fender Marcus Miller V, when strung through the body with DR High Beams, is nice enough up to the 8th fret, which is as far as I go on a five string.
 
Really, the only answer here is to go play basses and find what you want. I understand that is not always possible to do, but I have yet to find a better option. Every bass is different, how you interpret a good B to sound is different as well.

I spent a few months trying out basses until I found the Lakland I wanted. I almost pulled the trigger on a fender deluxe 5, and I am glad I did not, simply because the Lakland gives me more flexibility in terms of passive versus active (I am a major believer in outboard pres plus passive basses for ultimate flexibility in a studio/gigging bass).

Now that I have my go to bass for work, I am going to expand and buy my "selfish" bass. The one I want to use for my own projects and as an alternative for producers I work with as well. I am leaning towards a Peavey Cirrus because I have already used one and fell in love with it, but before I pull the trigger I am going to spend some time playing other basses just to see how they compare.

Take your time and form your own opinions. Use what people post on here as guidelines only to help focus your search.
 
Unless you're buying a bass for me, I couldn't care less what you think of my Dingwall bass.

What I was pointing out was that you hadn't disclosed the real controlling factor in your decision.

Had you said "I'm looking for a traditional-looking bass with the best B-string" most people would have told you that the Lakland you already have fits the bill as well as anything, and better than most.

I wasn't objecting to your opinion, I was objecting to your logic.

There is no one "controlling factor" that you refer to, or reason to be objecting to logic. Lets not muddy the waters here. The reason for my original post was quite simply to discuss opinions and input from others regarding basses that have killer low B's. Like I said, aesthetics and performance need not be mutually exclusive. Sounds like the Dingwall make a good low B, I'm just not a big fan of the appearance of them. This doesn't mean that appearance is the "controlling factor" as you put it. Fortunately, they are not the only builder out there making a good low B and I should certainly be able to find something that visually is more to my taste, without compromising performance either.

At this point, I have found a vintage Ken Smith that hits the nail on the head for what I am looking for AND has a deeper and punchier low B than both my Roscoe and Lakland, which says a lot. Adios.