Um, no. No Yes but ELO? That's not anywhere close to right.
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Best Prog Rock?
- Thread starter Doctor Intrepid
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Indeed, Bruford was an influence, key probably, of Peart's, and Peart was a Bruford disciple
IMO, no one has touched him, before or since. And I've heard a lot of drummers through the years. That said, there are some amazing drummers out there. Many don't realize what a great drummer Phil Collins was, for that matter.
If there is ever any doubt of that:
(damn the first 1:30 film stuff until they show until the concert footage)
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Saw the current King Crimson lineup tour with their 3-drummer configuration: Pat Mastelotto, Gavin Harrison (ex Porcupine Tree), and Jeremy Stacey. All were superb, but I remember being struck by the fact that, when they played Bruford-period material, Mastelotto and Harrison both did their best to respectfully "channel" Bruford in their fills and solos, but Stacey took them in his own style, different but magnificent.
Stacey's fills on Stephen Wilson's To the Bone album, particularly the end of "Nowhere Now" literally brought tears to my eyes - something usually reserved for vocal performances and guitar solos.
Nuclear Burn is the track I play for younger drummers who aren't aware of his depth. I always ask them who they think it is, and they never know. Eye opening for the younger set, for sure.
The "Phil Collins is a virtuoso drummer" is always a good one to pull on the oblivious.
The flip side of that is that, knowing his work with Genesis, Brian Eno, and Brand X, I bought his first solo album "Face Value" the week it came out, eagerly unwrapped it expecting some avant-garde virtuosity, and got "In the Air Tonight". A fine pop song, but a huge dubya-tee-eff moment for me!
Agree, and yet "In The Air Tonight" is considered one of the great drum fills of all time.
A Trick Of The Tail is still some of my favorite of Phil's work and Genesis' material in general.
On a side note I went to see the tribute band The Magical Box last year and they were fantastic. If you are a fan of Genesis see them if you get a chance.
LOL, you were blindsided by his pop icon phase. More fool you
Well, yeah. I did. But forged ahead nonetheless!Dooooood.....it's Cracked magazine ( basically Mad Magazine without Alfred E Neumann).........I don't think your supposed to seriously debate it's educational value....did you not see the butts/dongs chart?
Uh, where does hubby fit in all this?
First time I ever heard of Genesis was that concert way back when (04/14/73), and WOTS hit us HARD (first song of their set).
Please don't ask such questions. Let's just say this: I started playing at 19. I play rock. He started playing at 50. He plays jazz. There's a reason we rarely play together. We're horribly mismatched in all sorts of ways. What kills me are the people who won't work with me because they think I should be working with my husband. Uh, no. GTFO of my life if you think you know how I should do music.Uh, where does hubby fit in all this?
First time I ever heard of Genesis was that concert way back when (04/14/73), and WOTS hit us HARD (first song of their set).
Would have loved to have seen them live during the PG days. I made up for it, sort of, by seeing PG solo a buttload of times and seeing Genesis during their pre-pop days just after he left. They were still a really good band without him.
Yes they were.............then Steve was out, for whatever reasons, that I still don't know. It is quite apparent that Hackett was the real heart of the band (in the pre-pop era).
Agreement from here. I hold the heretical position that TotT and W&W are their two best albums.
Saw the classic lineup once, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway tour, Columbus, Ohio, November 1974. Drove up from the Dayton area in a blizzard. It was nasty out, but I was already pretty fanatic about seeing artists I considered important. I discovered two things that night.
- Phil Collins had a much better natural voice than Peter Gabriel. Gabriel may have done better costumed dramatics, but Collins sounded better every time he sang. It was really striking.
- Peter Gabriel was a needful dick with audiences. That night, after they executed LLDoB pretty shakily, then *nailed* Musical Box, the audience was howling and stamping for more (implicity, more stuff that they really had down). Gabriel walked up to the mic and said "Thank you. Both of you.", turned on his heel and walked off stage. Yeah, there were empty seats, but as I said, it was a really nasty night out, and those who had braved the elements to see them deserved better than contempt. He later exhibited similar attitude on solo tours.
I've done the discography
Earlier stuff is preferred, with the exception of Lightbulb Son which didn't quite grab me. First Wilson solo album was excellent too, but the others were not doing it for me with the exception of the odd track. I'll give them all a few more listens and whittle it down to ones worthy of a dedicated playlist.
