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Best Prog Rock?

Best Prog Band?

  • Rush

  • Pink Floyd

  • Genesis

  • King Crimson

  • Tool

  • Dream Theatre

  • ELP

  • ELO

  • Yes


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Dunno...let's agree to disagree on a few points.

The ones you say are "definitely Prog" I consider to be "definitely NeoProg".

The first couple Utopia albums, Utopia Mark I, are as Prog as anything, nothing beginner about them. The Ikon or the Utopia Theme or The Seven Rays are just a few examples. Having said that, one of those albums is mostly just a live version of the other, albeit a very good one. They did also have some rock songs on all their albums.

While "Oops...", Ra, and "Adventures..." I listened to profusely at the time, Utopia Mark II to me never measured up to the earlier stuff or Todd's early solo, but I enjoyed it on its own watered-down, 80s-ish level. They had to become more accessible with shorter, song-oriented music. I liked them, but thought of them as a different band.

Even still, they were always at best a cult band, then only thing most know about them is that awful Bang The Drum thing, which is hardly representative, and sad given the depth of their catalog of music and lyrics. I don't think Mark II has aged well, it's got 80s all over it like the haircuts of the time. And for that era, I think Ra is compositionally and musically better than Oops. Kasim has a fantastic voice but I always preferred John Siegler's bass playing.
Wow, you are a fan ! Yeah I love Kasim's voice on Oops. "Bang the Drum" is horrible, I do agree. I have to give Mark I a listen again. Like I said, too, I easily fall into the "labeling music" trap. It's a bad habit.
 
Dunno...let's agree to disagree on a few points.

The ones you say are "definitely Prog" I consider to be "definitely NeoProg".

The first couple Utopia albums, Utopia Mark I, are as Prog as anything, nothing beginner about them. The Ikon or the Utopia Theme or The Seven Rays are just a few examples. Having said that, one of those albums is mostly just a live version of the other, albeit a very good one. They did also have some rock songs on all their albums.

While "Oops...", Ra, and "Adventures..." I listened to profusely at the time, Utopia Mark II to me never measured up to the earlier stuff or Todd's early solo, but I enjoyed it on its own watered-down, 80s-ish level. They had to become more accessible with shorter, song-oriented music. I liked them, but thought of them as a different band.

Even still, they were always at best a cult band, then only thing most know about them is that awful Bang The Drum thing, which is hardly representative, and sad given the depth of their catalog of music and lyrics. I don't think Mark II has aged well, it's got 80s all over it like the haircuts of the time. And for that era, I think Ra is compositionally and musically better than Oops. Kasim has a fantastic voice but I always preferred John Siegler's bass playing.
Todd can be anything he likes; being a big Nazz fan, I was a bit put off by the Laura Nyro wannabe stuff of the first two solo albums, but he got back to rocking on Something/Anything, delivering one of the great power pop tunes, “Couldn’t I Just Tell You”, and followed that with the future glam of Wizard. The Utopia stuff after was cool, but it collapsed under its own weight, while a few fans of his ballad stuff that I knew were bored with the album side long suites. Sure, “Bang On The Drum” was a goofy song, can’t an artist toss something like that out every once in a while? It was catchy for radio, and got his name in the papers again, so to speak. The same thing happened to Warren Zevon and “Werewolves”. The 80’s stuff was tightened up because nobody had time for free form jazz odyssey anymore. Oh, and at least people in the 80’s had hair.
 
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Todd can be anything he likes; being a big Nazz fan, I was a bit put off by the Laura Nyro wannabe stuff of the first two solo albums, but he got back to rocking on Something/Anything, delivering one of the great power pop tunes, “Couldn’t I Just Tell You”, and followed that with the future glam of Wizard. The Utopia stuff after was cool, but it collapsed under its own weight, while a few fans of his ballad stuff that I knew were bored with the album side long suites. Sure, “Bang On The Drum” was a goofy song, can’t an artist toss something like that out every once in a while? It was catchy for radio, and got his name in the papers again, so to speak. The same thing happened to Warren Zevon and “Werewolves”. The 80’s stuff was tightened up because nobody had time for free form jazz odyssey anymore. Oh, and at least people in the 80’s had hair.
Not trying to make this a Todd thread but the man is obviously a genius. Even when he subbed out to Hall & Oates, the Tubes, Meat Loaf, the result was impressive. There was a time when prog and jazz fusion were very big in this town and it's part of the reason I moved here as a few of my musician friends had done the same. We all were big Todd fans and when Utopia Mark 1 release the first two albums there was a mega jaw drop and we all started trying to write like that. Some interesting stuff came out. In retrospect the 70s was just magical and most things since pale by comparison. But creativity and extended range endeavors are promising. And there will always be a devoted market for Progressive and Fusion.
 
Happy The Man, like Egg and some others of such stature that for some reason or another remind me of each other, are yet another one I've know about for decades but never tool the time to explore. Think I have one HYM CD that I listened to a couple times, maybe the 1977 one, but I don't remember it sticking.

Even someone like me who goes back to almost the beginning of Prog, I have a lot of gaps in listening experience. I chalk it up to not having heard them enough time to sink in.
 
Happy The Man, like Egg and some others of such stature that for some reason or another remind me of each other, are yet another one I've know about for decades but never too the time to explore. Think I have one that I listened to a couple times, maybe the 1977 one, but I don't remember it sticking.

Even someone like me who goes back to almost the beginning of Prog, I have a lot of gaps in listening experience. I chalk it up to not having heard them enough time to sink in.

I find that most Progressive music worth its salt takes repeated listens to fully understand/appreciate.
 
Hadn't hear this in a while and never saw this performance before, which is flawless.

But also, given this is a bass player forum, gives me a good excuse to ask bass questions.

He's playing fretted but gets a very fretless sound, not sure. Yes he is using Chorus and Bass Pedals, but something about his attack gets this. I don't play a MusicMan but wonder how much of that is the sound of this technique.

It's at different places in the song, noticeably at 01:37-03:02.


Dunno, when I hear things like this song at 13:35-onwards it makes me feel like no matter what, everything's going to be ok.

@LBS-bass - haven't seen you post here in a long while, hope all's ok.
 
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Like a lot of Prog discussions this is a bit Yes / Crimson / Genesis-heavy, there's a lot more to Prog than that.

Prog bands I’ve heard some of, yet to deeply explore like Caravan, Camel, Riverside, Hatfield and McCoy, VDGG, some Canterbury artists, Tool (though not sure I agree they are what I consider Prog) – there’s so much Classic and now NeoProg out there it’s hard to keep up.

While these are Prog 101 to me they might not be to others:

Pre-Vangelis Vangelis in Aphrodite's Child

Post-Zappa / Post--UK Eddie Jobson’s 80s Prog anomaly Zinc project with the screaming violin solo that could fill a coliseum


The fingerbuster from Pre-Yes Patrick Moraz - Refugee


The Nice’s interpretation of America, which of course Yes also covered

with the two brilliant quotes from Dvorák's New World Symphony

But probably more known for their take on Rondo

Not one for Giant purists perhaps, I am in both camps, but this was something I still like to play along on bass (this is a bass forum after all) - Ray's magnificent tone


And not leave out the Canucks



Thank you Allison Steele The Nightbird for some of these.

I only realized now that I posted a version of Klaatu's Hope album that I actually never heard in all the years I knew of it, that was some orchestral mix, the real version is here, which I like better
 
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@LBS-bass - haven't seen you post here in a long while, hope all's ok.

All is ok, more or less. Been laying low due to a hand injury that's making it hard to play the bass for long periods of time; writing some new music while I wait to get that fixed. Typing isn't great for me right now so I'm kind of on the quiet side, which is probably just as well since I haven't got a whole lot to say!
 
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All is ok, more or less. Been laying low due to a hand injury that's making it hard to play the bass for long periods of time; writing some new music while I wait to get that fixed. Typing isn't great for me right now so I'm kind of on the quiet side, which is probably just as well since I haven't got a whole lot to say!
Sorry to hear, hope you recover soon.
I hadn't been listening to Prog much lately so came back to this thread and it all started coming back to me.
 
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