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Best RAT clone for bass?

A rat dirt style pedal differs from others how? I've seen this discussed but I have no clue what a rat vs Tube Screamer vs ect. etc. how they differ. Of the dirt pedals I've owned thus far bass I can only tell anyone that the Broughton Scorpion is fenderish/blueberry tone stack based. Rondenberg LDP Deluxe I think is TS based? TC Mojo Mojo I have no idea. Hamstead Subspace I have no clue. MBD 3 I think is not based on anything guitar related. I could be completely wrong on all of this since I'm completely uncertain. If you know please clue me in.
 
A rat dirt style pedal differs from others how? I've seen this discussed but I have no clue what a rat vs Tube Screamer vs ect. etc. how they differ. Of the dirt pedals I've owned thus far bass I can only tell anyone that the Broughton Scorpion is fenderish/blueberry tone stack based. Rondenberg LDP Deluxe I think is TS based? TC Mojo Mojo I have no idea. Hamstead Subspace I have no clue. MBD 3 I think is not based on anything guitar related. I could be completely wrong on all of this since I'm completely uncertain. If you know please clue me in.

Rat type pedals are hard clipping vs the soft clipping of a Tubescreamer.

The original Rat had an LM308 chip and the slow slew rate meant a lot for clipping in the op-amp before it even got to the symmetrical diodes. It's a pretty hard, almost square wave clip that can be tweaked with the filter control, which is just a simple low pass filter.

Tubescreamers have soft clipping diodes in the feedback loop of the first op amp. It's a very different sound, not the least of which because of the baked in mid-hump in the original circuit.
 
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I bought a Broughton Locust Star based on a recommendation from @MikoFX. I like it quite a bit. It is very flexible and can even get so clean it can be a preamp. It's Broughton's version of the LM308 Rat with lots of thoughtful engineering. At 18v, it seems to have great headroom and behaves very well when using a pick and aggressively digging in.
 
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I bought a Broughton Locust Star based on a recommendation from @MikoFX. I like it quite a bit. It is very flexible and can even get so clean it can be a preamp. It's his version of the LM308 Rat with lots of thoughtful engineering. At 18v, it seems to have great headroom and behaves very well when using a pick and aggressively digging in.

'His' being @Azure Skies — not me, just to be clear ;)
 
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Rat type pedals are hard clipping vs the soft clipping of a Tubescreamer.

The original Rat had an LM308 chip and the slow slew rate meant a lot for clipping in the op-amp before it even got to the symmetrical diodes. It's a pretty hard, almost square wave clip that can be tweaked with the filter control, which is just a simple low pass filter.

Tubescreamers have soft clipping diodes in the feedback loop of the first op amp. It's a very different sound, not the least of which because of the baked in mid-hump in the original circuit.
Thank you greatly appreciated!
 
Lusithand Ground & Pound is what I'm currently using. Broughton Locust Star is also great if you don't want a clean blend, but hard can be hard to find. At the moment I prefer the "bi-amp" sound I get from the G&P with lots of clean blend.

Also the Ground n Pound! (Forgot it was a RAT circuit). It's so good that it kicked the LS-2/RAT/GEB-7 combo off my board for always on grit. The 2:1 compression on the clean channel is also special sauce.
 
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My vote is for the idiot box blower box or the Fuzzro Cat Tail. Those are by far and away my two fav rats.

There are many out there. The Fuzzro loses a lil low end. But I came to realize years ago that if you add too much low end to a rat, it kinda starts becoming something else IMO. I've heard a few state that they don't even think the blower box sounds like a rat. I don't think that. But it's got great low end. So yeah, those are my votes.
 
I've had a few, so here's my ranking. For reference, I'm going for "mild" dirt, in that I want to be heard in the mix and a bit dirty, but not clean and not fuzz. I also want a solid low end with no loss of lows, as well as the dirt being spread out amongst the entirety of the bass tone - i.e. I don't want only highs or only lows distorted. I dislike too much high end presence in my signal, as I feel it makes my tone sound brittle, but I do want a little treble zing for clarity and definition.

1. Dunwich Volt Thrower - incredibly flexible, which is a double-edged sword. I've found that I can get pretty much any Rat tone I'd need from this, from barely there to full on fuzz. The internal trims are incredibly useful, and my only complaint is that they're internal, because every time I adjust settings, I invariably adjust those a good deal and barely touch the external controls. But maybe that's just me. Anyway, this one is my #1 as it still sounds like my tone, but dirty and still defined.
2. Blue Colander Tremond - another excellent bass Rat, and one that is also quite versatile. I find that this one does better with my 400RB-IV (the VT lives with my 700RB-II). It is also the easiest for me to dial in - literally everything at noon except tone (1:30-3:00) and volume (to taste). But plenty of settings sound amazing. It's also important to realize that the HPF functions as an HPF in that it's not a "more bass" knob, but actively reduces the mid and treble content. The HPF and tone knobs have a lot of interplay as a result.
3. Frost Giant Bass Mountain - similar tones to the Tremond, but a bit more aggressive. They complement each other well, as this one is more distorted, but the Tremond sounds a bit more natural in tone. This is also incredibly sensitive to tweaking, and little changes can yield big results.
4. Idiotbox Blower Box - I've had both standard and deluxe versions - the high end treble is too harsh for my tastes, and in the mix this just sounded like a really punchy drive, but essentially sounded clean. But hey - those could be exactly what you want! Out of the mix it's very dirty, but the dirt portion of the signal didn't really poke through the mix. I also felt this was a "lean" Rat, in that it didn't seem as girthy as the previous options. It wasn't shy on the lows (I don't think it lost lows or anything), but just didn't have the same feel to me. The Deluxe shines at 18v, and it's pretty versatile for what it is with the HPF control adding plenty of options, but I found I preferred the others for my needs. My favorite tones from this sounded like a mix of a Rat and a B3K - sort of a grittier B3K if that makes sense. Certainly a great, usable tone, but not my style.
5. Fuzzrocious Cat Tail - I had a standard version. Didn't do a lot for me on bass, though I tried to like it. I think it would have benefited from a blend, as I felt it was often either too high end or too low end focused - I couldn't get a good in-between without sacrificing something. I DID find this was excellent for my high gain needs on guitar, but that's not the discussion here!

I think those are all of my big Rats. I also tried an tiny clone a few years ago (Mosky or something like that?). It worked better on guitar, but was what got me started on Rats. Hope this helps!
 
I'm happy enough with the Locust Star that I haven't gotten any other RATs since I got that. I've sometimes considered the Blue Colander Tremond, especially now that it comes in a 125B version.
It's important to note the 125B version is missing the internal "Brittle" switch, which I feel is a misnomer. It adds a bit more top end, but doesn't make the tone brittle in my experience. I have no idea if the 125B version has "Brittle" mode on or off as standard, and haven't asked, but it isn't quite as versatile as the large Tremond, which I love! I've got two of them, as well as two Volt Throwers. They are my two favorite Rats.
 
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What isa good example of the Rat tone on bass? Vids please.

I would assume early Voivod and Volt Thrower but those bands aren’t my thing so I don’t have a specific example. Plus there are a variety of modified Rats with various diode options and albums will have production layering and mix EQ tweaks.

I think this is a reasonable example.
 

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