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+1, but there's no point in bothering with it unless it's a tube amp in the first place!

also, i lurv my sansamp BDDI, but it's replacing a tube amp; if (when, back in the day) i was using an actual tube amp that didn't have a nice preamp out, i'd insist on mic'ing it. hell, these days, i'd have my own mic and stand, and wouldn't take "no" from the soundguy for an answer. he could argue all he wanted, but the XLR cable would be going into my mic as soon as he left the stage.
 
Totally destroys the low end. I initially thought it was ok but after doing some tests at home I found it too be way to boxy sounding. Like playing bass through a guitar cab.

Here's the thing - what you're calling "destroying the low end", probably works really well thru an actual FOH in a venue...

I've run the Countryman and JDI as a speaker level DI with excellent results - and would recommend either one for that purpose...


- georgestrings
 
I've been using an Audix D4 for a while now, carry a cab grabber and the mic, and just plug in my FOH feed there. Hyper cardioid helps keep bleed down, and most sound guys are familiar with the other Audix D series mics, usually from drums, so there's been less hesitation. Helps that I also tell them I use a crap ton of fuzz into a wound up tube amp, so unless they can spend the next 20 minutes soundchecking, my mic will be way easier :)
 
Here's the thing - what you're calling "destroying the low end", probably works really well thru an actual FOH in a venue...

I've run the Countryman and JDI as a speaker level DI with excellent results - and would recommend either one for that purpose...


- georgestrings

i can't find my clips, but here is a clip of the Palmer PDI-09 which I found very similar to the JDI.

To me that DI sounds pretty poopy. especially with the distortion/fuzz.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f43/palmer-pdi-09-vs-heil-pr40-audio-1007171/#post14727740
 
Well, this is the unique situation in which bassists find themselves. SOP for guitars is a mic. But more and more you see guitarists using the AxeFx, Kemper Profiling Amp and 2 Notes Torpedo providing a cabinet simulation via DI to FOH. For years, many touring pros would use the Palmer speaker simulators.

SOP for bassists is a direct box or direct feed from a preamp, and sometimes you may be indulged in a mic if you want it, but only if the situation actually warrants it with a willing sound mixer, or if the status of your gig allows you to get your wish list indulged. If your bass tone is all good with a straight, full range, direct feed, then we're not talking about you here. We're talking about getting the sound of a mic'd bass cabinet.

This is why unleashing the potential of cabinet emulated Impulse Responses should be something the modern bassist needs to consider for both sonic and practical reasons. I use a rig that employs cabinet simulations (for those times when I prefer them over unfettered direct feed). So, not only am I happy with the tone from my direct feed, but the sound tech is not freaked out by some "maverick" asking for an MD421 aimed 1" off of the cone edge of my top right speaker. If I've properly done my homework with the tone of the bass cabinet simulation, then the job of the FOH mixer (and monitor mixer) is 10x easier, since they'll need to do very little channel strip EQ in order to get me up and running. In addition, I can employ IRs that were acquired with the mic "backed off" the speaker a few inches (if that's where the speaker sounds best), or even "far field" if I like, which is something that would rarely be indulged in a high SPL live situation with a rock band.

Part of this equation is the bassist at the helm, and what they feel is essential. If you're very particular about your tone both on stage and out front, and you regularly perform in situations where the vast majority of the audience will hear bass reinforced by FOH rather than stage level, then IMO it is worth exploring IR technology and high quality cabinet sims. Heck, there are plenty of players out there who think nothing of dropping $200+ EACH on a quality bass synth, fuzz, or compressor stomp. So, the logic here is that it is all for nothing if ultimately you have to put up a fight just to get the sound you really want to the FOH mixer. IR capable devices solve this problem. JMHO.
 
Really interesting jimfist! I have been on recording sessions where the engineer schooled me as to why my direct sound is better than a mic in a small room. He was right. Perhaps as I transistion from stage volume to FOH sound reinforcement, I will revisit the cabinet modeling stuff and go with a powered monitor. As for now, I am going to probably look into a mic. I think that my 15s probably don't produce the highs too much, so that could be a good argument against the DI. Thank you all so much for the input.
 
Top028, certainly the mic is the simple, logical solution. I'd like to add though, that DI via direct with impulse responses can peacefully coexist with your existing traditional bass rig, so you don't need to exclude one for the other (split signal before the amp, or line out from your amp head). I've gone to the extreme using amp & cab simulation with my current rig, primarily to keep it extremely flexible and portable. If I could, I'd still be lugging my SVT 8x10 refrigerator around, but it's just not practical for me anymore.

IR technology is pretty interesting, and still developing. Here's hoping that the quality, usefulness and price of hardware products will make them a more attractive and available alternative to cabinet mic'ing so that everybody wins.
 
I guess I rate myself old and smooth enough to get my mic in play with nobody getting a hernia. There is always the fallback position of unplugging the DI and chucklng it into my mic as soon as soundguy is turned around. The original TB'er to use the P2 says he just nods when they hand him the DI and has a modified Z clamp with mic already set and puts the lead in there instead and nobody complains.